GirlFriday post=360545 wrote: is putting extra money into my Superannuation a waste of time?

GF, if/when the monetary system collapses, everything will be affected approximately equally. Money in superannuation will be no better or worse than money in a bank, but there is a good chance super will grow faster than a bank deposit in the meantime.

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Le Loup post=360452 wrote: Certainly farming & transport will have to revert to 18th/19th century methods.

Yes, I think our technology will revert to a level where much power comes from steam – steam locomotives on the railways, for instance, steam traction engines for agriculture and possibly steam for shipping. Of course, we will still have…[Read more]

Le Loup post=360448 wrote: Personally I do not see oil or the lack of as a problem. If we run out, it has only help the environment.

While that is true as far as it goes, Keith, the Apocalyptic vision sees oil prices soaring at the same time (relatively) as the effects of global warming start to bite. Heat waves during which the least wealthy are…[Read more]

Snags post=360445 wrote: even in recession the price continues to rise,….sounds like demand is greater than supply.

Indeed. We might see a series of economic mini-recoveries, putting pressure on oil supplies, causing oil price rises, causing further recessions, causing demand destruction, causing oil price retreats, allowing economic…[Read more]

penny post=347405 wrote: The cause is really irrelevant.

Not if our human activities are the cause and the outcomes are not benign. If we are causing dangerous warming and we know how to stop it, then the cause is very relevant indeed. It is important to remember that climate does not change arbitrarily: it changes according to the forcings applied…[Read more]

Lady B post=347310 wrote: Make sure you’re logged in when trying to access that link. If you aren’t you’ll get that message.

Thanks for that. All working now. I didn’t even think about logging in as I used to just leave myself logged on indefinitely. My bad. :sick:

Andre post=347189 wrote: http://www.aussieslivingsimply.com.au/forum/general-chat-and-catching-up/345984-a-simple-explanation-not-that-it-should-be-needed

Thanks Andre. Your second link does not work for me: it comes up with the message “You do not have permissions to access this page.” :huh:

Metu post=347180 wrote: Thank you for the discussion owlbrudder, I would like to continue it but (and this is no reflection on you) I need to get out into the world I can influence directly. That is where I feel most useful, rather than exchanging dialogue on what should be done.

Thanks for the conversation, Metu. Being out there doing something…[Read more]

Snags post=347148 wrote: Fear of Global warming is a Communist plot,it is trying to destroy our Western way of life.

Yes, I love that meme. Dirty rotten communists have developed a secret cabal who are running a vast scientific conspiracy of global proportions, designed to make us panic about global warming to such an extent that we meekly bow to…[Read more]

casalenta post=347144 wrote: the terms being used here and everywhere else, such as ‘denier,’ ‘alarmist,’ ‘belief,’ and ‘hoax’ have no place in science.

What is the correct term to describe someone who denies the evidence, if ‘denier’ is not politically correct? How should we describe someone who makes frightening claims without evidence, if…[Read more]

Metu post=347142 wrote: It’s only been a recent invention in political circles to make an official study of Climate Change. Whereby they take former data, and draw a line of relativity towards human activity. That’s only been a recent development, so it’s present interests I’m referring to.

Well, recent in geological time anyway. 🙂 The evidence…[Read more]

PeterD post=347101 wrote: I think we do influence local microclimate systems but it’s harder to stretch that logic and conclusion to a macro world level.

Fact: CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Fact: we are emitting it faster than natural sinks can take it up, so the level of CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing. What would we expect as a result? Global…[Read more]

gardenlen post=347094 wrote: those who promote CO2 CC are the ones who have to sell the product and so far they are failing

Nope, no-one is buying or selling anything. AGW is either true or false and that does not depend upon how many people believe it.

gardenlen post=347094 wrote: not talking about natural global climate change.

Why not? Earth…[Read more]

Bobbee post=347087 wrote: in my opinion we should be allowed to state our beliefs with out the necessity for scientific proof for those beliefs.

Belief without evidence is faith and that smacks of religion. You are entitled to your opinion, but I am interested in finding out WHY people deny that humanity is changing the global climate. So far,…[Read more]

gardenlen post=347086 wrote: decimation of habitat is the cause of our local climate changes, far few cloud forest left now and too few trees to use the CO2 they need to thrive.

Spot on, len. Deforestation is one of the contributing factors to climate change. Who is doing the deforestation? Humans. Ergo, humans are causing climate change. You are…[Read more]

Ggang post=347079 wrote: I cannot see that the way Humans have interfered with the natural processes of the planet cannot effect it and many ways 👿 the changing climate is just a part of it added to deteriorating quality of the air we breath, the water we drink ……… another endless list denied by paid scientists ………

That’s where I…[Read more]

gardenlen post=347076 wrote: we are not allowed to speak against the science or their theories

Not true at all, len. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am just asking you to show why the science is wrong. I think we all understand that you do not believe it, but you have not given us any evidence on which you base your…[Read more]

Metu post=347075 wrote: I have a slight quibble here; as a society, we cannot help the political agenda has taken science on climate change, as if it’s fact. We cannot help there are those who link to scientific evidence, backing pro human-induced climate change either. Because we cannot help it, we are expected to join in to be legitimized. Like…

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Krankywitch post=347066 wrote: Sorry Owlbrudder but it seems to me that you are being deliberately obtuse.

If that is the impression you get, I apologise unreservedly. I am trying to be accurate and accurately reflect the current state of knowledge about AGW. I am certainly not trying to be obtuse.

Krankywitch post=347066 wrote: Final words from…

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Krankywitch post=347059 wrote: For the last 20 or so years there have been ice cores taken from both poles that show distinct evidence of dramatic climate change. So dramatic that one core from antartica contained pieces of tropical plants at the 500,000 years ago level.

With respect, the North Pole is covered by sea ice floating on an ocean, so…[Read more]