October 26, 2010 at 4:53 am #253505
trying to get started with my raised vegie beds and went to get some soil for them.
the girl said it has feedlot manure in it, now with all the bad stuff that feedlot cattle get fed, and me trying to be as organic/chemical free (as in I don’t spray any) as I can be – is it safe to plant vegies in soil that has feedlot manure in it please
it just worried me when she said that but apparently all soil has feedlot manure in it – just wanting opinions and advice please as whether to getOctober 26, 2010 at 7:14 am #480839
hmmm i haven’t heard that. i would want to avoid feedlot manure for the chemicals but also because i don’t want to support such a vile industry.
i think you can get organic soil, but you may need to hunt for it. also, ask about mushroom compost – does that have manure in it?October 26, 2010 at 7:28 am #480840
thanks for answering, don’t know if I can get organic around here, (there not very big on organic anything around here) :shrug:
don’t really want that other stuff,October 26, 2010 at 7:55 am #480841
Really cheaper and better to build you soil.
Get some green stuff – lawn clippings without weeds, lucerne, pea straw, mulched green leaves, vege scraps.
Get some good manure – chook, cow, sheep, horse. Cow is best but any will do.
Get some brown stuff – sugarcane mulch is best for this and cheap but well dried grass hay will work too.
Starting with brown stuff, layer each type of ingredient until you have a pile reaching the top of your bed. Hose each layer well to ensure plenty of moisture. Finish with a good layer of brown stuff. If you have some, between layers, sprinkle a little seaweed solution and some crushed rock dust, but this will work without.
This pile will heat up as it breaks down over a few weeks, so don’t plant seeds in it. Rather, grow yourself or buy some seedlings and use them to start with – don’t start with root veges, by the way.
To plant seedlings in the layered pile – make a good sized hole and fill it with good quality potting mix. Plant the seedlings in these holes. As they grow, the layered materials will break down into soil and your little plants will grow into the newly created soil. Water the whole pile when watering.
This pile will break down rapidly. To build it up to the level you wish (eg. the top of your raised bed), after the first plants are finished, you can do the same process again. If you want faster results or want to grow root crops, you can instead add mushroom compost (check for chemical use), extra manure, a mixture of potting mix and manure (mix well before adding) or a mixture of all three. This will generally be more expensive than making your own.
By the way – we did two beds to compare – one had bought soil, one we made as described – guess which one grew better plants?October 26, 2010 at 7:59 am #480842
I recently heard Peter Cundall asked the same question and he was saying that the feedlot is where animals go before sale and export and that the standards are so strict that if any chemicals were fed to these beasts they would not be desirable for the market as they are constantly being tested for contamination. It was his belief that the manure from these places would be fantastic and very good for the benefit of all gardens.
DebOctober 26, 2010 at 8:12 am #480843
well if my favourite garden guru says it then that’s ok with me, if I can’t find any organic stuffOctober 26, 2010 at 8:24 am #480844
apparently raised beds are different to bath tubs, – either way they are not going in the flat ground
they are going in bath tubs
and the reason for that is I have nut grass everywhere, so there will be no grass clippings going in :tdown:
trying to find a happy medium here :confused::lol:
what I am really trying to achieve is something between a wicking bed, and self watering system
as in, gravel on the bottom and acting as a type of resevoir maybe I am wrong and it wont work but know someone who has the same thing and it works well for them, so hoping for the same outcome 😐 hopefully :noapprove:October 26, 2010 at 8:54 am #480845
The main problem with feed lot manure would be the antibiotics and other innoculants that the cattle get. Have a dig around and see if there are worms in the garden beds, the more worms there are the better the manure( and any contaminants) has broken down and if there are worms i would be happy to plant in it:DOctober 26, 2010 at 8:59 am #480846
ohhh good thinking – thankyou – but it will be coming from a earthworks place that sell gravel and chip bark etc and they were waiting on new lot to come in
only have two places to choose from and one doesn’t deliver anyway – but still waiting to find out if they have organic – if they do, will find a trailer/ute from somewhere :tup:October 26, 2010 at 9:45 am #480847
Nutgrass can indicate calcium deficiency or locked up calcium. Test pH, correct using lime or add a product called Limelife – the nutgrass problem will go away. You can also make weed tea with the weed that bothers you and sprinkle it on the problem area.October 26, 2010 at 9:25 pm #480848
Feedlot cattle ( just like any other cattle) have strict withholding periods on the drugs that are used. Feedlot staff do not routinely dose all animals with antibiotics just becuase they can.October 26, 2010 at 10:02 pm #480849
I fully admit I am totally predjudice against feedlots – hate them, don’t even buy feedlot meat, and don’t really want to be supporting it in any way if I don’t have to
but having been subjected to chemical poisoning and can’t take preservatives of any kind, am wondering if this will compromise my health any further – that is the other real question
or will the soil improve over timeOctober 27, 2010 at 8:11 pm #480850
I recently heard Peter Cundall asked the same question and he was saying that the feedlot is where animals go before sale and export and that the standards are so strict that if any chemicals were fed to these beasts they would not be desirable for the market as they are constantly being tested for contamination. It was his belief that the manure from these places would be fantastic and very good for the benefit of all gardens. Deb
The recent introduction in Australia of a broad leaf herbicide ingredient called aminopyralid that caused devastation to many gardens in Britain a couple of years ago could be in feed lot manure here. The herbicide does not affect grasses and stays active in grasses, animals’ digestive systems, and their manure until it is broken down by microbes. This can make garden beds unusable for up to 20 months in cooler climates.
As you have no way of knowing whether animals in feed lots have grazed on treated pasture, make sure you compost manures before adding them to garden soils. 🙂October 27, 2010 at 8:16 pm #480851
thanks Lyn, but not going there at all – the compost/potting mix and lucerne was explained to me better so am going with that now, parts of your signature is why I was really baulking at getting it
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