April 15, 2011 at 3:36 pm #254843
Yes, E here – still alive, very busy!
I bought an older doe about 6 weeks ago from an organic dairy.
I was never happy with how she looked, but did not have time to ponder things too much, especially as she came from an organic farm (stoopid me). Anyway she got really crook with terrible diarrhea. I emailed the old owners who said to give her slippery elm. This helped the runs go from pure water to more ‘solid’ diarrhea, ie brown and very runny.
She was on death’s door and I spent the night keeping her alive with Vit c and VAM injections – next day got the vet. By this time I was thinking – WORMS. Vet wormed her, gave her antibugs and electrolyte. Goat came good with very high worm count once poo analysed.
I thought she would be OK, as it was clearly a parasite issue. She isn’t 🙁
Still a picky eater and the runs have returned, after she had normal pebbles for about a week. I don’t know goats. I don’t know what else to do.
I am going to send off a poo sample next week to see if the worms are gone.
What can I do for the poor old thing. Her kid at foot is now weaned due to her milk drying up during this. I believe the goat has not given up on life yet and I want to save her.
xoxoApril 15, 2011 at 6:27 pm #494697
I nearly lost a horse once because I knew she was wormed as we loaded her onto the truck.
it seemms she had an extremely heavy worm burden, the first wormer killed the worms she was carrying but not the eggs which then hatched and so reinfested her, the answer was to worm then worm again soon then worm again, I cant quite remember but I think 2/3 week intervals.
Now I realise you have a goat but I cant see why the same thing can not happen in other animals!!!April 15, 2011 at 9:51 pm #494698
Barbous Pole might be your problem, we have had heaps of problems with it, can kill them.April 15, 2011 at 10:29 pm #494699
I have heard that when a goat that has never been wormed is dosed with a chemical wormer the resulting die off of worms can make them sick
but then that doesnt really explain the initial scours
have you tried Pat Coleby’e scour recipe of 1 desertspoon each of dolomite and C plus 1/4 teaspoon of copper ……..
I would suggest getting some Vytrate which is an electrolyte and goats will take it willingly – mine just lick it up from the end of a syringe ……..as well as being an electrolyte it contains glucose and will help keep her going …….it is used neat for preganacy toxemia and has kept many a doe alive …… use it neat up to 20ml at a time …..
you can also mix ( disguise ) other oral powders in it ……… I would reccomend large doses of Vit C powder- maybe 1 table spoon
keep up the Vam, with B12 as well if possible ……. drench her with plain yogurt if you have some
if she will eat give her all the branches and roughage she will take and not too much grain – the experts say no grain to a sick goat but if that is all she will eat she needs something …….
so yes his maybe does read like try anything but sometimes to save a sick goat that is what has to be done
if it was my goat I would not give her another wormer until she has picked up bit …..but then I have heard there are enormous worm problems over there with all the rain and I have no experience with those conditions or for that matter with chemical wormers
you could also try http://www.aussiegoatforum.org
it a great forum with lots of very knowledgabl peopleApril 15, 2011 at 10:34 pm #494700
Double post – oops! pesky internet keeps dropping out – see my post below 🙂April 15, 2011 at 10:35 pm #494701
I think it is likely worms as well – the advice we were given was to worm them, then worm again 10 days to 2 weeks later. Goats can get pretty heavy worm burdens, apparently because they eat so close to the ground. Seems to have done the trick for our goat who was looking pretty sad 6-8 months after kidding despite heaps of feed in the paddock and supplementary feeding. She’s now fat and happy again, and just about due for her next round of worming – we were told to do worming like this every 3 months/change of season. We used Panacur – our local produce was happy to sell it to us in syringed doses instead of the whole bottle since we only have the goat and kid to do.April 15, 2011 at 10:41 pm #494702
It sounds like barbers pole worm which has a life cycle of 10 to 14 days and the problem is most drenches only kill the parasite at the adult stage and to redrench to early can cause other problems. I have used dectromax injectable with excellent results although it isn’t stated for use on goats. I think the biggest problem is lack of pasture rotation as the larvar is waiting on the plants ready to reinfest straight after they are wormed, small paddocks with at least a three month rotation will help.
I hope all is well,
KevApril 16, 2011 at 12:17 am #494703
Hope she’s feeling better very soon E ((HUGS))April 16, 2011 at 1:28 am #494704
I will be getting a faecal worm count done this week. Hopefully they can ID which worms they are.
I have her back on my regime of slippery elm, electrolye and kefir whey 3Xs per day. I have added copper as well. I have had excellent results with copper with my other goats and my horses.
Anne, I did wonder if she was crook due to die off, so backed of the kefir whey. All the literature I have read pushes the probiotics, so I have her back on it now. Normally I would not chemical drench here, but she was so sick, I allowed it. If the parasite lab recommends a chemical drench I will use it. As she is from an organic dairy, she would not have ever been wormed with chemicals. I thought they would all die of shock! lol It seems not! I have also ordered an iron supp. as she is quite anemic IMO. She is happy enough and greedy for carrots when I feed them to Judith, my milking doe, after milking. A good sign I think.
Shall keep you all posted, and look forward to any other suggestions!
xoApril 16, 2011 at 11:30 am #494705
A good indicator of worms is a lump under the chin, just above the throat. Most goats will get this if they have a high worm load.April 16, 2011 at 12:21 pm #494706
kefir is excellent I was going to suggest it but thought you wouldnt have it
I have heard 10 days is the idea time to worm her again – something about worm cycles …….
Just my opinion but I worry about the way “the conventionals ” load toxic chemicals into a sick animal ……… fair enough she may need worming again but since she is sick try and achieve it steadily rather than wanting an instant cure that may overload her ( with worm dieoff and toxic chemicls ) and kill her…….
just remember she has probably never been wormed in her life and you said she is oldish …….. as an example I let my vet talk me in to worming my 3 yo buck ( only cause he was a buck )
I drew the line at letting him use the strong stuff and I did him with panacur at the reccomended dose. He didnt actually get sick but he was not himself and definately off for nearly 6 weeks. I also did the young one and he showed no ill effects and did put on weight afterwards
good luck and please do keep us informed
AnneApril 18, 2011 at 11:46 pm #494707
She’s really crook. Poo sample came back as life threatening worm burden. I have to give her Panacur every day for 7 days and re-test 🙁 Diagnostic guy thinks anything stronger will not be good for her in her condition, although does want me to get her a long acting injection wormer too. I am so pissed off that she was sold to me in this condition. I did not have the goaty experience in this instance, but am learning on a daily basis I can tell you!!!
I feel so sorry for this doe, but she does have a look in her eye that is saying, ‘don’t give up on me’. I will be getting all my goats’ poos tested once we are through the worst of it. Friggin hope I have rotated enough paddocks to save them from this. I am actually almost run out of rotations now 🙁
thanks all and I will keep you posted.
xoApril 19, 2011 at 12:51 am #494708
What a terrible thing for you, E, and also your poor goat. I have no doubt that you will give her every possible chance at survival. Hope you have some very strong words for the people that sold her to you.
Best of luck with it, will be watching to how she gets on.April 19, 2011 at 1:54 pm #494709
Big hugs and best wishes for you and your poor goat E! Definitely let the people who sold her to you know – who knows, it may at the least prompt them to make sure the rest of their goats are alright. Hope your goat makes it – they are pretty tough, so she’s in with a chance if she’s got the fighting spirit!April 20, 2011 at 2:33 pm #494710
Sadly we are burying our doe today. She was just too sick and died yesterday. Thanks for all the well wishes.
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