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  • #490466
    missy71missy71
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    Le Loup post=359993 wrote: Some people Missy are just no good at instructing, especially when they know the skill so well themselves, or think they do. I taught my boys to shoot at a very early age with a flintlock rifle. This rifle was made especially smaller to fit my boys, but even so they needed a forked stick to take the weight when standing. If you have any questions Missy, I would be pleased to help where I can.

    Yes I suppose this killing your own food thing must take some getting used to if you are not raised to it & have a love for animals. I find killing domestic stock a lot easier on my conscience than hunting wild game.

    Regards, Keith.

    I think it’s just ‘user error’, myself :whistle: He shoots out of a helicopter sometimes and is a good shot, and he’s teaching our son to shoot, but I’m the only one he’s not had any success with. We are not one of those gun-mad families, I’d rather not have them at all, but there is a time and a place for them.

    #490467
    missy71missy71
    Member

    Rubicon post=360005 wrote: Hi All

    I am not an alarmist nor do I run around like Cock Robbin screaming the sky is falling but I do believe the world is headed for somewhere very unpleasant, somewhere it has never been. The Earth was never meant to have 7 billion people sucking on its resources. And remember, in 11 years there will be 8 billion. In 10 years after that – 9 billion.

    It is totally and completely unsustainable. One way or another the “correction” is coming. I have no idea what it will be but it will be nasty and will most likely degenerate into survival of the fittest.

    What do I think the future holds? Anything from severe economic stress caused by a depression right through to a massive depopulation from a pandemic or War.

    I am a prepper who is having fun along the way. Learning new skills, brushing up on old ones. Planning to be as self sufficient as possible and reducing my impact on the Earth as I go. In short, an “Aussie Living Simply”.

    Rubicon.

    I’ve taken out bits of your quote to avoid a massively long post.

    Water is such a looming issue…

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/cloncurry-poised-for-evacuation-if-the-town-fails-to-get-good-rain-soon/story-fnihsrf2-1226818057089

    Where will these people move to? What will happen to the business owners who have to walk away from their livelihoods because there are no customers? What about the station owners?

    And this fellow predicts a looming property bubble.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/us-demographer-predicts-hit-to-aussie-home-prices/story-fnihsrk2-1226818290817

    #490468
    Le LoupLe Loup
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    pavbenth post=360007 wrote: You guys can have as many guns and as much ammo as you like. But please don’t resort to becoming materialists about it, which is so common in the American prepper movement. Rather than getting on with it they seem to talk more about gun paraphernalia, and brand names, and so on.

    Ah, the macho, camo guys. No I don’t think there is anyone on here like that pavbenth.

    Though I can get a little passionate about my flintlock 🙂

    Keith.

    #490469
    SnagsSnags
    Member

    missy71 post=360011 wrote:

    Water is such a looming issue…

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/cloncurry-poised-for-evacuation-if-the-town-fails-to-get-good-rain-soon/story-fnihsrf2-1226818057089

    Where will these people move to? What will happen to the business owners who have to walk away from their livelihoods because there are no customers? What about the station owners?

    And this fellow predicts a looming property bubble.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/us-demographer-predicts-hit-to-aussie-home-prices/story-fnihsrk2-1226818290817

    Property prices have gone through the roof because people are afraid of the stock market and because of generous tax concessions that drive the DIY Super industry and personal investment and migration.

    Its all fantasy and of no benefit to anyone who only has the one house and the one mortgage.

    As you sell your expensive house to buy another expensive house with no financial gain just a roof over your head.

    The benefits are only for the rich who have more than one.

    Population, water, climate change,peak oil and general resource depletion would all be pretty devastating to the BAU paradigm without even adding a pandemic.

    The only thing you can control is food production and water storage.

    Energy production needs functioning batteries or a grid.

    Build a rocket stove, plant a garden catch some water, build a network of like minded people.

    Dont go to marginal lands that will become even more inhospitable.

    #490470
    threedogsthreedogs
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    The angry, hungry hordes will get me. I won’t own a gun – never touched one – nor will I have one on the property. If the world is so stuffed that this scenario ever eventuates then I don’t think it is worth shooting people for anyway and as we don’t eat animals or animal products we won’t use it for that either. 🙂 C’est la vie.

    #490471
    Le LoupLe Loup
    Member

    I do not have 100 people, & don’t want 100 people. I have my family & friends, & that is enough. We have two houses in our forest with the ability to construct more. We have two large garden areas. Both houses are self-sufficient & off grid & all services except the phones. We will have no problem being totally self-reliant, & should also be able to protect what we have.

    A pandemic will shake things up a little & cause a lot of problems. This is not a matter of if, this is a matter of when. There could also be a financial crisis.

    Keith.

    #490472
    Le LoupLe Loup
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    Yes we are set up pretty well here, but there would be changes made if it all hit the fan. Right now I do not want to change anything when there is no need, & the changes will not take long if the time ever comes.

    Regards, Keith.

    #490473
    pennypenny
    Member

    Then again folks we have the example of Cuba. The government took the initiative in Sharing the resources to prevent starvation. Animals replaced machinery, every piece of arable land was converted to food production. The policy of local food supplies so farms became small but very productive and provide food for the local area. Really all of them are doing what we ASLs want to do, live simply so others may simply live.

    Wish I could locate the video link again as it was really interesting. Also houses that are built also have to be built of locally produced building materials.

    I guess another side benefit of living this way means you do not have the resources to go to war.

    I hope that when the crunch comes we can cooperate as decent human beings and work together towards a harmonious life, less focused on material possessions and more focused on community and family.

    As for over population, birth control needs to be free and easily available.

    I really hope that the philosophies we seem to express here, simple life, strengthen communities, use local produce and services and share come to the forefront.

    #490474
    Le LoupLe Loup
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    penny post=360074 wrote: Then again folks we have the example of Cuba. The government took the initiative in Sharing the resources to prevent starvation. Animals replaced machinery, every piece of arable land was converted to food production. The policy of local food supplies so farms became small but very productive and provide food for the local area. Really all of them are doing what we ASLs want to do, live simply so others may simply live.

    Wish I could locate the video link again as it was really interesting. Also houses that are built also have to be built of locally produced building materials.

    I guess another side benefit of living this way means you do not have the resources to go to war.

    I hope that when the crunch comes we can cooperate as decent human beings and work together towards a harmonious life, less focused on material possessions and more focused on community and family.

    As for over population, birth control needs to be free and easily available.

    I really hope that the philosophies we seem to express here, simple life, strengthen communities, use local produce and services and share come to the forefront.

    A nice thought Penny, but I don’t see that happening here. If society should fall apart, the bad guys will be in like flint. They are not interested in a fare-go, they want more than their fare share. We can not know for sure what will happen, but it is wise to prepare for the worst scenario, then anything less than this we can hopefully handle.

    Keith.

    #490475
    pennypenny
    Member

    I understand how we might see us reduced to savagery if it came suddenly but more and more people are trying to produce some food. I’ve convinced my (over 70) neighbor to grow some veggies for the fist time and she is having a great time.

    Despite the risk of the “strong” to take the only survival will be by cooperation. The Cubans managed it and on the way have also built one of the best health, educations a social security systems. I would hope we might all use them as the example of the way to do things. I know, I know I’m a hopeless optimist but I live with hope rather than despair and meanwhile do what I can to make sure I have skills to pass on to the kids/grandkids. :

    shrug:

    #490476
    pennypenny
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    I’m not suggesting that everyone has to produce the food. Cuba has managed to continue to educate people. They have an excellent education system and medical system and have managed to survive against the might of the USA, and remarkably seem to have achieved this and a fairly egalitarian society.

    #490477
    SnagsSnags
    Member

    I love what Cuba has done but Cuba started from a equal footing were everyone believes in the common good, the Capitalist West runs on greed and me me me.

    Centralised planning and long term thinking is not the way Laissez-faire systems work

    When you have system of dog eat dog,greed is good drilled into the citizens since birth,were the mythology is you can have it all, if you work hard,its going to get scary when the middle class realise the dream is no longer an achievable reality

    …then add guns.

    #490478
    Le LoupLe Loup
    Member

    I think there are many scenarios, but I also think that we are in the beginning stages of survival right now, & many people are busy thinking of other things & not seeing what is happening. Because we live in the bush, we see things happening in nature that others may not see. But on top of that, let’s take a look at things on the news.

    The Great Barrier Reef, one of the 7 wonders of the world, & our prime minister is about to destroy it by physically using it as a dredging dumping ground.

    Look at the coal mining & the mine fires in Victoria. Look at the fracking for gas. We could all be helping to save the planet, which at the moment could be at a tipping point in the Global Warming issue. If you do not believe in Global Warming, & that we humans are the problem, then I suggest you watch the David Attenborough videos on this very subject.

    It is getting hotter, much hotter. Our gardens have suffered severely this year. This heat works both ways. In the Northern hemisphere is will get colder in winter. In the Southern hemisphere it is getting hotter all year round. There will be droughts, but when it does rain, it will increasingly get heavy, which in the not too distant future will mean instant run-off & flash floods.

    We know what we have to do to try & slow this down & possibly, if there is time, stop it. But the majority of people are turning a blind eye, they don’t want to know. They don’t want to use less power & wear warm clothing instead. They WANT to use all their electrical gadgets 24/7.

    Global warming is real, & it is here now, & it is going to get far worse. If we can’t stop it, & we can’t slow it down, then we need to change the way we do things so we can cope with what is happening. For myself & my family, that means changing the way we grow our food, possibly change the foods, & plan the gardens differently.

    Keith.

    #490479
    SnagsSnags
    Member

    Rubicon post=360375 wrote: Hi Penny and Snags

    I really dont think Cuba should be held up as an example of what the rest of the world should aspire to or model themselves upon. Their health system is nowhere near that of the West, unless you are part of the ruling elite or privileged few. Sure, healthcare is “free”, just dont get an illnesses or disease there that is a routine treatment here or the US.

    Cuba is socialist, and repressive socialist at that. Has a population of 11 million or thereabouts – if it was such a utopia why have 1.5 million fled their homeland to call the USA home? Why would a third of the Country do exactly the same if they got a chance? How come if the health and education systems are so good is there no one trying to get INTO or go BACK to Cuba? They wait for favourable tides and currents and try to get to the US on inflated car inner tubes. Tens of thousands have died trying to get out of the place – including those at the hands of the police/military trying to stop them.

    Cuba is what it is because of about 7 decades of Communist repression, even systematic murder, not because of any conscious willingness of the people to embrace the policies of a totalitarian regime.

    Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, whose parents are Cuban refugees gave a pertinent speech in the US Senate a few days ago. You can watch it here……

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/02/marco-rubio-tees-off-on-cuba-venezuela-and-tom-harkin.php

    Not trying to start an argument here either guys.

    Cheers

    Rubicon

    A blockade isnt designed to help any economy,its designed to destroy them, thats why the US has one on Cuba.

    People are all chasing the American dream thats why we are going to have collapse,because the dream is a fantasy based on exponential growth with finite resources.

    The age of entitlement is over as Joe Hockey keeps telling us but he doesn’t totally understand the concept that it means capitalism and exponential growth.

    Totalitarian regimes have many guises not all are obvious.

    One governments freedom fighter is another governments terrorist,its all in the eye of the story teller.

    If we all keep striving to be like Americans and live beyond our means then you can kiss the world goodbye as we are doing.

    If we all strive to be like Cubans and live within our means, humanity has a chance

    According to World Wildlife Fund’s Living Planet Report in 2007, Cuba is the only sustainable country in the world.

    Sustainable development in the report is defined as “improving the quality of human life while living within the carrying capacity of supporting ecosystems.”

    http://www.mnn.com/local-reports/local-blog/what-we-can-learn-from-the-most-sustainable-place-in-the-world

    We greedy humans just need to take our bitter medicine and start cutting our collective coats according to our cloth.

    or face the consequences of collapse

    #490480
    PinetreePinetree
    Member

    Big subject, but here goes my two bob;

    I am of the opinion that climate change is real. But wether or not we can do anything about it is almost a mute point.

    Fossil fuels will become too expensive for the majority of working people in the near future. This situation I believe is inevitable because of population growth, increased demand, and finally depletion of reserves. The combined effect of these factors will result in a change in the way societies function across the world (particularly the west). Yes other stop gap fuels/options will come along to try to save the day, but I believe the system they are operating in is too far gone, but hey on that one I hope I am wrong.

    Just as an aside, our health system is great, but very dependent on oil!

    The global population is a problem for all scenarios of the future. As Rubicon said any volunteers? So what will happen, who knows?

    If any of you have ever kept animals there might be a indicator there. What usually happens if you over populate a paddock, keep on breeding, import feed when it is eaten out, then as you can no longer afford the price of good feed cut back on the amount/quality of food and leave the animal waste where it falls.

    Quite possibly sickness will bring the paddock back into balance.

    The pandemic scenarios are the most distasteful to my mind, but in truth if we keep on poisoning our water food air and land, while increasing the population of the world what do we really expect will happen?

    So what can we do?

    Make wise decisions for you and yours!

    Pinetree

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