April 18, 2012 at 8:13 pm #490451mistyhollowsMember
calliecat post=342255 wrote: if they want it – they’ll take it
Yep, pretty much. I guess the only way you can get around it to a degree is to mix your veges in with other gardens to try and disguise them. I’ve started doing this and it’s amazing how people who visit don’t pick it up. I’ve had visitors comment on how they like my elephant ear plants (taro 😉 ), arrowroot is an edible form of canna so most don’t pick that up either. Put some native foods in and most sheeple wouldn’t even know what they were looking at. I personally hope it never comes to having to use them for such situations and you also have to know how to cook them. Taro leaves can be used for cooking in and eating but they also contain calcium oxalate crystals. Apparently it’s rather unpleasant to eat uncooked taro 😉 . I started off with one plant and now have heaps. They send out suckers and now have a mind of their own, so much I need to find them a new home in the yard! Even the Kangaroos don’t go near it which is a huge bonus here :laugh: . It’s about the only thing they won’t eat.April 18, 2012 at 9:36 pm #490452calliecatParticipant
hope I’m well and truly gone, if it ever did get that farApril 19, 2012 at 3:07 am #490453BobbeeMember
Thanks for the links Elaine and Ben. :tup:
Calliecat the ones I am really concerned for are the grandchildren and those coming after. I just hope that we manage to leave them enough information to assist them to manage the planet better than we have, this includes of course the skills to get through the beginning of the worst of it.
:hug:April 19, 2012 at 3:09 pm #490454treetopsdreamingMember
Your welcome, Bobbee and Le Loup (and everyone else :))
Yesterday, I was thinking back to my life 6 years ago. At that time, my daughter had just been born, and I had no knowledge of the potential issues of overpopulation, climate change, or peak oil…
I sometimes wonder if I am better or worse off for having gained the knowledge that I now possess. My life would certainly be easier (and less stressful) if I did not hold the views that I do now. However, I also realise that ignorance and denial are not constructive paths…
In terms of Paul Gilding’s analogy, I am still in the grieving process (the enormity of the loss is incomprehensible to me). However, I am getting closer to acceptance. Acceptance that the future may either hold enormous promise for humanity (as humans are an incredibly resilent species) or the end of humanity (as humans are also an incredibly selfish species). And, I wonder what may follow either way…
At any rate, as discouraging as my future worldview may be, I find comfort and hope in being surrounded by people like you who care and who are trying (in so many different ways) to prepare for whatever the future may hold…
Sorry for such a heavy post :blush: I’ll be switching to other (more positive) topics for awhile!April 19, 2012 at 8:33 pm #490455BobbeeMember
:hug: :hug: :hug: z to Elaine and Ben. :hug:
Humanity will survive, I have no doubt whatsoever. Of course I have no logical reasons to give you for that.
I just have faith that humans have always managed to come through every catastrophe we have faced, and humans always
help each other survive those catastrophes. Of course there are always the dregs of humanity that rise to the
top and create unnecessary havoc but it is my belief that these dregs are in the minority. :hug:
I know there are many other views of the above on als, as of course there should be. This is an emotive topic and
I just want to say that I will not join in any ‘discussion’ of my opinions, should there be one. :hug:
:hug:February 2, 2014 at 12:51 pm #490456
My husband and I were talking yesterday about his belief that it’s time for me to learn to shoot and get a gun licence. I was telling him about this thread and how it’s been a long time since anyone has posted here so I decided to come back and bump it back to our thoughts.
We have recently come back from our second trip to the US and we were amazed at how much dearer many things were this time; fuel, groceries, clothes, even with the exchange rate factored in. Many Americans were also saying how expensive their fuel has become lately (it’s still cheaper than ours, though) but so many people said they’re finding every day living expenses in general becoming higher and higher.
So I thought it might be time to resurrect this thread and see what else RW and everyone else has to contribute. My stockpile has dwindled since we’ve been using it and our vegetable garden is on hiatus until the wet season is over. I need to refocus on getting back on track. :pinch:February 2, 2014 at 1:34 pm #490457FarmerGreenMember
I agree with your husband, there is no harm in being prepared. Whilst not obsessive about it we try to improve on our self sufficiency year by year, so that if current systems do collapse for whatever reason we will be able to look after ourselves, plus any of our city living family members who can come and join us.February 2, 2014 at 2:03 pm #490458
Getting a firearms license & a gun is a good idea. Unfortunately it takes quite a while to get the gun out of the gun safe when you need it, but at least you have that gun & you can get at it given the time. Think of it as insurance. My wife has a nice 410 single barrel shotgun.
I think survival has started for us. Climate change is having a big effect on our garden, & on the number of hours we can spend working outdoors. Large leaf plants like rhubarb, squash & pumpkin are literally burning/drying out & falling apart. Fruit production is poor to nil. Our dam has never been so low as it is at present. We are going to have to reorganise our planting for next summer, too late for this one.
Regards, Keith.February 3, 2014 at 6:20 pm #490459
Hubby wants me to have the gun for protection as well as being able to hunt. We do get the odd feral pig out here, too. I would have no qualms about using a gun for protection but I’m squeamish about killing for food silly enough. Dad taught us girls to shoot when we were kids but it’s been more than 30 years since I’ve learned that I’ve lost the feel for it. My last attempt at shooting targets ended up in my walking off in a huff because DH kept telling me I was doing it all wrong :S
Le Loup, I wonder about that too, with the gardening. Ours is still a work in progress and very much trial and error but even over the past couple of years I’ve found there’s not enough rain or water available naturally to keep them alive with very little intervention from the town water tap. Even our bore is rather salty and doesn’t run for long before it’s dried up. I think our governments are being totally irresponsible with the selling of farms etc to foreign interests. I do believe the time of wars over water is quite feasible, too.
On another note, DH killed our rooster last night to make way for a new one. He’s sitting in the fridge for a few days before we cook him. That’s a whole other thing I need to get my head around if we need to be as self sufficient as we can. DH said it’s time to start buttering up the neighbours again so we have some extra protection of our land if the whole world falls apart :whistle:February 3, 2014 at 7:26 pm #490460
Some people Missy are just no good at instructing, especially when they know the skill so well themselves, or think they do. I taught my boys to shoot at a very early age with a flintlock rifle. This rifle was made especially smaller to fit my boys, but even so they needed a forked stick to take the weight when standing. If you have any questions Missy, I would be pleased to help where I can.
Yes I suppose this killing your own food thing must take some getting used to if you are not raised to it & have a love for animals. I find killing domestic stock a lot easier on my conscience than hunting wild game.
Regards, Keith.February 3, 2014 at 8:30 pm #490461SnagsMember
Guns make a lot of noise and bullets don’t store well for ever and what makes you think you will be able to get bullets if you cant get food.
You can spend all night on your porch with a shotgun on your knee protecting your crops or you can share your crops, plants,seeds,preserves and gardening knowledge with your neighbours and sleep like a baby.
My predictions seem to be a little like Thailand or the Ukraine people are un happy but they dont know why or who to blame they just want change.
The people with the most to lose will get angry as they lose a lot, the people with less to lose will become scapegoats as the blame game starts.
The middle class like to blame and punish the poor because the upper class tell them that the poor are the problem, to deflect blame and save their own arse.February 3, 2014 at 8:43 pm #490462
For one thing Snags I use a muzzle-loading gun, & that is a lot different to the guns you are talking about. Second you live in a different world, one where nothing violent has happened to you yet. I/we on the other hand have already had to fend off raiders, neighbours & others. If I did not own a gun, I probably would not be here right now. This world really is not a safe place, it just seems like that to some people who have never experienced violence & danger. I hope you never do experience it Snags.
Stay safe & take care.
Keith.February 4, 2014 at 10:16 am #490463
Well I think I can say Ditto to most of your post, & it is a good post.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge & insight.
Regards, Keith.February 4, 2014 at 10:47 am #490464pavbenthMember
You guys can have as many guns and as much ammo as you like. But please don’t resort to becoming materialists about it, which is so common in the American prepper movement. Rather than getting on with it they seem to talk more about gun paraphernalia, and brand names, and so on.February 4, 2014 at 12:52 pm #490465
pavbenth post=360007 wrote: You guys can have as many guns and as much ammo as you like. But please don’t resort to becoming materialists about it, which is so common in the American prepper movement. Rather than getting on with it they seem to talk more about gun paraphernalia, and brand names, and so on.
that’s not me. if you ask me about the guns we have here i can tell you they have brown on them and one of them was my granddad’s that was from the late 1800’s. that’s as far as my gun knowledge goes.
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