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PO "Stockpile List"

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  • #242134
    SproutSprout
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    What items do you suggest as being important to stock up on now as we look towards a near future where PO / other may restrict global trade or at least see prices increase significantly.

    In another PO thread Sonya mentioned buying quality items which will last or at least be repairable. Each family will have different needs/ideas and there will be “tools” and more short -term items like sheets or clothing.

    What do you see as priority items to begin sourcing/stockpiling now?

    #325934

    Thanks for this thread Sprout.:clap: This is somthing we all need to think about.

    When I was making cordial this morning I mentioned to P that we have to make sure we have a large amount of sugar in our stockpile.

    I.

    #325935
    Michelle-smMichelle-sm
    Member

    This is something I think about alot, just exactly what do I need to stockpile??

    I have the basic foodstuffs to last for about a month which is not nearly enough.

    I am at the moment contemplating buying a reasonable sized chest freezer to stockpile more food. I figure even if we eventually have no power it will still make a great vermin proof storage container.:tup:

    Things that I have been thinking of adding to the stockpile recently are;

    candles

    matches

    buckets

    panadol

    bandaids/bandages

    vinegar

    bleach

    soap

    underwear

    storage containers

    blood & bone

    pots/pans

    dishes

    I could go on forever but I’m not sure where I will store all this stuff.

    Hubby is already starting to think I have a hoarding disorder.:lol:

    #325936
    SonyaSonya
    Member

    regardless of your beliefs about the future, it is probably prudent to be a little independant from the mainstream in skills, materials and resources anyway.

    and yes, undies are important – good point!

    Sonya

    #325937
    SproutSprout
    Member

    regardless of your beliefs about the future, it is probably prudent to be a little independant from the mainstream in skills, materials and resources anyway.

    Sonya, would you like to be more specific, especially regarding materials and resources? We know you have spent a lot of time thinking on these matters, could you give us some pointers?

    #325938
    scarecrowscarecrow
    Member

    Sonya wrote:

    regardless of your beliefs about the future, it is probably prudent to be a little independant from the mainstream in skills, materials and resources anyway.

    and yes, undies are important – good point!

    Sonya

    Good Sonya I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks like this but…I feel the whole idea of ‘stockpiling’ food etc is wrong!

    Stockpiling is NOT a long term solution to anything. Stockpiles will run out! They can be damaged or stolen…then what?

    I feel we should be looking at alternatives to everyday items. Making these items from scratch or finding other ways of doing things.

    Michelle’s list for example (I’m not having a go at you Michelle just trying to get my message out)

    Candles- how do we make these instead of buying them – Beeswax. OK beekeeping isn’t going to be for everyone but in future PO situations the idea of the ‘village’ style of living has credit. Someone in your close community will keep bees and supply the beeswax for candles!

    Matches- Rubbing sticks together is a skill we may need to brush up on or hitting rocks. How about using pieces of broken glass to magnify the sun’s rays to create FIRE! and then maintaining that fire to keep it going. If you need a fire that is.

    Buckets- go for stainless steel ones that will last…they take a lot of energy to produce but will out-last plastic ones.

    Panadol – learn to live without it…it won’t store long enough and may not be produced in future situations…then is not the time to look for alternative pain management.

    Someone mentioned in another thread about drug use…are there alternatives to the life saving medications some folk rely on?

    Bandaids won’t store well either and bandages…didn’t these used to be ripped up sheets etc?

    Blood and Bone – investigate Veganic gardening…you grow plants to feed other plants without animal in-puts.

    Underwear – stockpile fabric to make your own…learn how! Re-use old t-shirts to make knickers. :tup:

    Maybe we need to look one step back from stockpiling foods and items to stockpiling what we need to create the ‘basics’ of living.

    Maybe what I’m saying is stockpile SKILLS!

    #325939
    TullymoorTullymoor
    Member

    Don’t hold back Scarecrow, tell us how ya feel!! :lol::lol::clap::hug:

    That’s a powerful post, a bit of a kick up the bum to get us (really) thinking, thank you.

    #325940
    WombatWombat
    Member

    I agree with your point Scarecrow – stockpile skills – but everyone is different in their abiltiies and time they can put to this. Stockpiling buys you time. Time to get stuff going that you may not have time to set up before the ballon goes up. It also buys you breathing space in the event of a crop failure or other missfortune. At the moment a crop failure is an annoyance and a disspointment. In hard times and without a stockpile, it may prove fatal.

    Nev

    #325941
    SproutSprout
    Member

    Maybe we need to look one step back from stockpiling foods and items to stockpiling what we need to create the ‘basics’ of living.

    by Scarecrow

    I guess that’s what I had in mind, like the stainless steel buckets, cast iron cookware, good quality bikes and some spare parts, maybe needles and thread and good quality gardening tools. The means to enable us to create the basics 5, 50, even 100 years down the track. Items which may be hard to source in another 10 years and better thought about and gathered gradually now.

    #325942
    SonyaSonya
    Member

    Scarecrow,

    Thats why I left food out of the list and I put skills in. For example our relocalisation group are all going to attend a seed saving course to kick off our local seed saving network and seed bank. These are the types of things I’m talking about.

    Getting a skills register is another thing we are doing.

    Cheers,

    Sonya

    #325943
    roadwarriorroadwarrior
    Member

    I’ve been asked what my stockpile consists of a few times, on sydneypeakoil.com as well.

    Here’s a rough list.

    3 months tinned food. (complete Harvest meals + baked beans + spaghetti)

    30 tins “Two Fruits” in syrup

    100kg salt

    60kg sugar (will increase to 120kg shortly)

    150 kg wheat (airtight CO2 atmosphere)

    30kg rice (airtight CO2 atmosphere)

    60kg Chicken pellets (constantly rotated)

    Two tents with sleeping bags for whole family

    200L petrol + two cars kept above half full at all times.

    Female hygene products including Rad pads and Diva Cups (New addition)

    Steripen , UV water sterilizer, battery operated (new addition march 2010)

    Bulk seeds (rotated annually)

    Manual stone flour mill

    Manual steel flour mill

    Manual meat mincer

    Manual cream separator

    Manual butter churn

    Electric tomato sauce machine (can be easily converted to manual, plus can hook the wheat grinder up to the motor for faster grinding)

    Hand cranked Singer sewing machine

    Pandemic Kit (Viroguard masks, medicines, gloves, goggles)

    40 tooth brushes

    20 tubes toothpaste

    10 bottles Bleach

    2 year supply of soap (increasing constantly)

    A Chainsaw

    Various axes

    Dynamo torches/radios

    A few thousand matches

    Candles

    3 Fresnal lenses (for starting fires without matches)

    Rechargeable batteries

    Solar battery charger

    iPod with all my favorite songs and TV shows (can be recharged by solar battery charger)

    2 subway mountain bikes

    2 5,000L water tanks

    1.05kW grid connected solar panels (for when electricity becomes REALLY expensive)

    Bags of concrete to fill the toilets when the sewage overflows.

    A solar cooker

    Barbed wire

    Radiation gauge

    1 X high powered compound bow

    Guns

    Ammo

    9 chickens

    1 wife peak oil aware.

    Lots of skills such as beekeeping (to make up for all the skills I don’t have), and lots of books to fill the gaps.

    Most of this stuff is boxed, ready to relocate if necessary (except for the chickens and the wife).

    There’s probably more but I can’t think of it all right now. It’s a big list.

    rw

    #325944
    SproutSprout
    Member

    Thanks RW, that’s food for thought indeed. Please add items as you think of them. What’s a Fresnal lense, is it a type of magnifying glass?

    1 wife peak oil aware.

    Most important! 😀 I’m glad she’s not boxed up!

    #325945
    roadwarriorroadwarrior
    Member

    A fresnal lens is a BIG magnifying “glass”. Mine are made of plastic, they are flexible (and cheap) and can magnify a large area. The ones I have are the size of a computer screen. I’ve seen big ones, 68cm TV size, used to weld metals together.

    I’ll keep adding to the list…there is so much to think of when preparing for peak oil that my brain runs out of breath.

    Just thought of the three “subway” mountain bikes I’ll be getting in March too.

    #325946
    GeoffGeoff
    Keymaster

    I fully agree with the comments on learning skills rather than making stockpiles, but I can see a use for stockpiles as well. Having a month or three of backup could be a lifesaver as well.

    I’ve put some time and effort into skills & tools that will be a little more uncommon, and allow me to trade for some of the skills & items that will be more common. My favourite is a basic blacksmithing kit, it gives a good starting point for making trade items & repairing things. I’ll add charcoal making to that this winter so will have a fairly end-to-end setup ready to go. It’s something I enjoy so that makes it even more worthwhile: “DW, I’m just off to practice my blacksmithing, it’s not that I’m avoiding doing the dishes, but you know, we do need to be prepared…” 😆

    Don’t forget useful things in the environment that can be combined with skills. A ready source of willow trees here means we can get into basket weaving to replace a lot of plastic and fabric items. What can you put into your environment (or adapt that is already there) that will become a future resource in this fashion? Sort of stockpiling in the wild.

    Also useful (though less portable) are books (my second favourite stored item after personal skills). You might not have time today to learn how to weave baskets, but if/when you’re out of a job spending a couple of days reading and practicing could see you in a new occupation, enough to trade for a bit of food in hard times. General books like a yates guide, bushfood guide and first aid guide, smaller more portable editions, could come in very handy, even for those who hope to be more mobile. If you plan on staying put then make sure you’ve got all the basic trades covered, carpentry, plumbing, electrical, mining 😆 etc.

    Roadwarrior: Have you picked out a destination, got an endpoint, or planning on going nomadic?

    I’ve often considered starting a register of PO destinations, larger farms in the country willing to take suburban expatriates and provide a plot of ground for a tent in exchange for labour. There are big issues of trust to be overcome so it’s probably unworkable (ie, I know I’d be a bit afraid of having ten thousand dispossessed turn up on the doorstep because the word had gotten around a little too well), but it does provide some interesting thinking material from time to time.

    #325947
    SproutSprout
    Member

    RW where would you buy a fresnel lense? I have to hide all magnifying lenses to prevent curious little ones lighting fires here, but doesn’t hurt to know.

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