March 17, 2011 at 1:57 am #254681
This was a new one for me , on ABC’s Catalyst this evening.Some agricultural “experts” reckon the world will quite soon run short of phosphorous for the manufacture of fertilisers for “industrialised ” food production, but Monsanto says there’s enough left for several hundred years to continue making fertiliser …….they would, wouldn’t they. But apparently one solution to a more immediate “peak phosphorous” is “urine separating toilets” – ie the design of the bowl separates wee from poo – so that phosphorous can be extracted from urine for the manufacture of fertiliser. The programme also featured Monsanto’s GM modified cassava touted to improve nutrition for Africa’s millions in a few years’ time.So much to think about…………and worry about….and do about…..March 17, 2011 at 11:29 am #492892
Wasn’t it not that long ago that all our laundry detergents etc contained phosphorus and we were flushing it out into the rivers creating problems with blue-green algae?
The best immediate solution to most of our fertiliser problems is to close the waste loops instead of flushing the nutrients out into the sea. Good to see the toilet on there as a first step.March 17, 2011 at 12:09 pm #492893
Blue Wren, try not to worry it will not get you anywhere. However there is lots you can do such as growing your own organic food, buying/bartering locally and yes peeing on the garden when no one is looking. Urine from healthy people is sterile & contains mountains of goodies that make my veggies grow like the clappers. And Geoff, closing that “waste” loop is important but also is redefining what is waste!!March 17, 2011 at 3:28 pm #492894
Yes Porgey, you’re right. I’m actually not too much of a worrier and as an older, late starting permie I am “doing” what I can.But I was out with my two little grandies at Australia Zoo last Monday.They are such treasures – a two year old fearlessly feeding a full grown elephant was special!! 🙂 – and I couldn’t help wondering what the planet will be like for them in their “golden years”, hopefully with their own grandchildren.I do so hope their grandkids won’t just read about tigers and lions and elephants and a host of other creatures , as we do about Tasmanian tigers so recently extinct. I guess my hope is that the global “awakening” about sustainanbility that IS happening now will have at least begun to win the battle for the planet and its creatures, and for the rights of all people on earth to productive enterprise , adequate housing, plentiful locally grown food and good health.:)March 17, 2011 at 8:32 pm #492895
porgey post=307345 wrote: … and yes peeing on the garden when no one is looking.
I wish someone would tell my neighbour that – he does it in full view of our kitchen window most mornings!! Avert your eyes, children!! I might give him a bed pan for Christmas and suggest he use that and bring it out later once he has put some clothes on…. :laugh:March 17, 2011 at 8:47 pm #492896
I’m guilty of doing this – recycling phosphorus and saving water – but only after dark and I keep my clothes on. The worry is, if I do it on the grass it leaves big round dead patches. Makes me wonder what’s in in it!March 17, 2011 at 9:37 pm #492897
Wazza post=307389 wrote: I’m guilty of doing this – recycling phosphorus and saving water – but only after dark and I keep my clothes on. The worry is, if I do it on the grass it leaves big round dead patches. Makes me wonder what’s in in it!
Eh! You don’t wanna know…………………you’d only start to worry….
NevMarch 17, 2011 at 9:38 pm #492898
My worry about doing this is the medications I take. 🙁 What do antidepressants do to soil and the veges I eat?????! :SMarch 18, 2011 at 12:26 am #492899
Fey wind wrote
My worry about doing this is the medications I take. What do antidepressants do to soil and the veges I eat?????!
Ummmmm make them happy???????????:silly: :laugh: B) 😛 :silly: :blush:March 18, 2011 at 11:15 am #492900
They have enormous problems in the US with antidepressants and other drugs like statin cholesterole drugs polluting groundwater from sewerage …….
we have a composting toilet ( neither of us take meds ) but if we ave visitor use our toilet who either takes meds or we dont know, we wont use that batch on food ……. lucky we dont have many visitors
so as you probably have gathered I think its a very serious problem …… I would not drink recycled sewerage water for this reason
but no doubt others will tell you its not enough to worry about
AnneMarch 19, 2011 at 12:25 am #492901
Ggang post=307433 wrote: we have a composting toilet ( neither of us take meds ) but if we ave visitor use our toilet who either takes meds or we dont know, we wont use that batch on food ……. lucky we dont have many visitorsAnne
Wow that is quite amazing, I never considered that before. Gosh, my eyes are ever more opened reading the posts on ALS :unsure:
But where do you draw the line though? Contamination to some degree is everywhere. Have you considered not eat things that get the first rain after a summer heat wave because of the volatile compounds washed down from the atmosphere? :ohmy: :blink:March 19, 2011 at 2:41 am #492902
I had never thought of the effect of meds in the system – i wonder what effect l-dopamine has on my fruit trees?March 19, 2011 at 11:05 am #492903
yes you do have to draw the line somewhere so we dont think about the VOCs in the first rain – although we do deliberately live in an area away from industry and reltively free from pesticide drift
drug contamination is an avoidable issue and I certainly dont want to be getting statins or antidepressants with my veggies
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