February 16, 2010 at 6:03 am #453728
There are so many people out there like that and they continue to whinge on a daily basis about how broke they are….
My neighbour continues to tell us on a weekly basis they are living off their credit cards etc etc and I used to give him hints on how to save but now I just say ohhh well these things happen, my husband used to feel sorry for him but I did remind him, did they need to buy that new sofa, plasma tv, etc etc and put it all on credit
I have no time for these people any more….. I know it sounds terrible but hey who needs negativity in there life…February 16, 2010 at 6:05 am #453729
Yeah Michelle, but stupidity isn’t limited to the non-green brigade. I had a visit from a zealous planet-saving warrior recently â€“ a card-carrying member of every green organisation you can think of. Her eyebrows raised when she spotted the fairly massive airconditioner (it came with the place, used twice this summer for about 14 hours). Then shock, horror, she spies a large-screen plasma TV. Nothing said, but if the body language could talk â€¦. you’d think I was single-handedly responsible for the demise of the artic ice cap and the extinction of polar bears! So I said: “My last three month power bill was $117.25 and every kilowatt hour was generated from renewable energy. How much was yours?” No answer, sudden change of subject to fund raising! I omitted to tell her that I’d been away for a month and the state government kindly gives me 50 cents a day pensioner concession on my power bill, but spare me from pretentious newly-converted greenies.February 16, 2010 at 6:11 am #453730
hehe, I just read this on another forum:
Don’t try to teach a pig to sing. It just aggravates the pig and it wastes your time.February 16, 2010 at 6:23 am #453731
At one of our Transition Town weekends we had a woman there who had studied addiction extensively. She put so much of this behaviour in context for us all.
It is addiction to a particular lifestyle and a lot of people are in denial when it comes to any talk of any change that would affect their particular (perceived) trajectory. Now whether its peak oil or a cyclone, these people are not resilient and won’t cope well with change of any type at any level.
I work with those who get it – I’m kept so busy with like minded people who just want to get on with it I don’t have time to spend trying to convince someone in denial about anything.
SonyaFebruary 16, 2010 at 12:42 pm #453732
I know so many people like that. :shrug:
I WANT IT ALL – AND I WANT IT NOW. :pFebruary 16, 2010 at 12:54 pm #453733
Yep, I hear ya Wazza….so true.February 16, 2010 at 1:34 pm #453734
Wazza….I have had a few people ask me why we grow our own fruit, vegies and herbs when we can afford to buy it from a shop and I just respond with…..”I might be able to afford it but the earth can’t.”:(February 16, 2010 at 8:33 pm #453735
There is always hope while there is life. But it is not always worth the effort of trying to change some people, unless they show some real interest in changing themselves. Othen it takes a shock or sudden chance in circumstances to prompt this. Mind you sometimes this just produces very bitter people who blame the rest of the world for their problems. I reckon seeing how people react in adversity is a real reflection on their true nature.
Daviesgang and Wazza
I think it worse when you have sly nasty comments from some of the ignorant carpark mafia at school (a very small minority) towards those that don’t feel the need to show off with 2 new cars, new house etc, etc. They just assume that they can’t afford it when in reality many of those they are making fun are in real terms much better off with low debt levels and some savings. Its OK to go to the opshop or grow veges or have an older car but if you do all of these they assume you are on the breadline.
They assume I took a parttime job because I was broke not just wanting some extra stimulation. I like having the knowledge that I can chuck my job in at anytime or if my DH is made redundant there is no great hurry for him to find another job.
I just ignore them and thank god that my kids aren’t friends with theirs. I’d rather spend my time with geniune friends that just accept me as I am. A middle aged mum with a mind of my own that doesn’t always do what is expected by society. Apparently spending a big amount of money on doubleglazed windows needed to vastly improve the insulation of the house, instead of a new car is considered rather odd.
My car I will drive until it needs a major repair at which point it will be scrapped as it will not be worth repairing and it is a bit of a gas guzzler. It will then be replaced with something that uses a lot less fuel. I can’t believe it Wazza buy a new car :jawdrop: because it needed new tires:shrug:.
KerrieFebruary 16, 2010 at 10:53 pm #453736
I know people like this too. I’m sure we all do. I listen to the stress about money, but I’m starting to just accept those people as they are and not try and fix them. Leading by example is all we can really do. Can’t change their lives directly, but may provide some inspiration while we continue our journey.
Of course, I try and emphasise that we want for nothing. We’re really very content. We don’t deprive ourselves of anything we truly want or need. We just try to be more thoughtful about what those things are. Oh, and we try and learn from other people’s mistakes, no matter who they are.February 16, 2010 at 11:17 pm #453737
It’s great hearing all of this.
I guess I sit somewhere in the middle…
My husband and I are constantly living pay to pay… (well getting better) But we are making changes and trying to budget, use what we have and use second hand. He’s like me and alot more motivated to do this for the planet than for our pockets… But our saving is just a bonus!
We are trying very hard to reduce our silly (wasteful) spending, and work towards a better life.
This site is amazing with tips etc!
But one thing I must say is that even when we are at the end of a pay week with nothing in the bank account, I would NEVER bring myself to complain about it to others!!
It’s no-one elses fault we have got ourselves in this situation, it us!!
I get very annoyed at firends who do this – even when I am in the same situation.
Suck it up I think… You put yourself there… (As I did alot of the time)
LeahFebruary 16, 2010 at 11:34 pm #453738
My changing moment in life was when we had our first child, and went to being on one income. I realised the differences between wants vs. needs, and that we got by just fine on the same Winter shoes from last year, that eating more basic foods doesn’t mean less taste or nutrition, etc. I learnt that making do or being happy with what you have, instead of wanting more, more, more, is a much happier way to live!
I would never force my way, or my beliefs on anyone, and totally understand that everyone is different, on a different journey and like I said, I am not perfect, and plenty out there in the world would think my life is extravagant! I do believe in leading by example, absolutely, and not being a martyr, or an OTT Greenie!! All I can do, is if this friend complains, is offer advice about how we do it. If she doesn’t like it, not a worry. Who knows, maybe she looks at me and go home to complain to her husband, about her ‘friend’ who wears op shop clothes, won’t be buying her kids new clothes for Winter, plans on buying bikes, and, urgh, has a worm farm and a compost bin!! 😆
I have been thinking about the need for an ecological & social revolution, to deal with possible issues we will all face in the future, and I think that many people will only change when forced to. I am not bitter about the life they are living, vs. the sacrifices I am trying to make (I love my life! I have fun being frugal and all that!) but I guess it motivates me to be even more prepared to handle the hard times. So many people, like my ‘friends’, are not even aware of the issues their lifestyles are causing, let alone the changes they need to be making… it’s going to be a long, hard road coming up!February 16, 2010 at 11:35 pm #453739
I recently bought a book called “Shut up….Stop Whining…and Get a Life!”
WOW!!!!! It has blown me away ( I’m only part way through it). From what I have read so far, it should be compulsory reading for the entire Human race!February 17, 2010 at 2:38 am #453740
That sounds like a great book!!!
Who is it by? I might have to pop to the library to see if they have it!
🙂February 17, 2010 at 4:06 am #453741
Wow Phonenix that sounds like a great book. I work with a chronically unhappy whinger :rip:(and she is only 23 and just married -should be happy) I would love to pop a copy on her desk!!!! I have tried weekly happiness quotes, plants around her desk, all sorts of things. The rest in the office are a happy enough lot so it isnt environmental.February 17, 2010 at 4:43 am #453742
I know where your comming from, I have a cousin in law who is always saying how poor he is. I can’t see it myself, they have a new town house thats payed off, a car that’s no more than 10 years old tops and payed off. They have nice new things in the house, lounge, TV, gaming consols. But it’s not enough. Even the month long trip to china he is taking with his wife and son isn’t enough. Or the house he bought in china. He asked if i would house sit (that I would be okay with) and baby sit his chinese exchange student (that he gats payed to have) for free, I would have to cook and clean for the 15 year old boy to. All because I don’t have a “job”. Cooking and cleaning for my husband isn’t a job as far as my husbands familys sees it.
I also hate being lumped in with the Gen Y sayings, of how we all seem to live at home and don’t pay bord and can’t do with out anything and how we want the best of everything and we want it now.
For some people if you gave them $1 mil it wouldn’t be enough, for others a few chickens or a few thousand worms or a helping hand in the yard means the world.
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