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    PasqualinaPasqualina
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    Just wondering what everyone in here thinks of Kevin Rudds/ Stephen Conroys plan to put a mandatory ISP filter over the Australian Internet. I know it’s not anything to do with sustainable living, but it does have alot to do with our freedom to information.

    Any ideas? 🙂 Just wondering.

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    PasqualinaPasqualina
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    #451795
    TamandcoTamandco
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    Are we talking about personal pleasures or national security here?

    :confused::confused::confused:

    #451796
    grumpy3grumpy3
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    I think its all a matter of control and nothing to do with porn or security.

    Dennis

    #451797
    WazzaWazza
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    Pasqualina wrote: I know it’s not anything to do with sustainable living.

    But perhaps it is, or could be in the future? We need information to live sustainably and much of it comes off the Internet these days. Some of it, like making biofuel in the backyard, isn’t favoured by the authorities. There is a long history of censorship being introduced for noble purposes at the time, like not exposing our kids to pornography, but it doesn’t always stop there. And who makes the decision on what websites should be blocked? Will the process be transparent and accountable, as with film censorship? We like to think Australia is an open and free country, but in reality we are one of the most highly regulated nations on earth. Internet censorship will add to this… all for the most noble of reasons, of course.

    #451798
    grumpy3grumpy3
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    Wazza wrote:

    but in reality we are one of the most highly regulated nations on earth. Internet censorship will add to this… all for the most noble of reasons, of course.

    I think you would find a great number of web sites would go down and they would have nothing to do with the porn etc. Anything and everything that was against the planing of the powers that be would be classed as not good for the public. Since when has a politian been able to be trusted or there advisors.

    ALL’S would go because it is teaching people to survive and think for themselves and not rely on the system.

    Dennis

    #451799
    WazzaWazza
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    Yes Dennis, that may well happen in a worst case scenario. I think we have to live for the best and enjoy life, but have a backup plan we can dust off should things not always be as rosy. There are a number of people living in small, rather secretive, sustainable communities who choose not to use the Internet. The Internet is responsible for 9% of greenhouse gas emissions for starters and they consider it dangerous to rely on as an information and social network in the future, so they’re getting used to doing without it now. In the ultimate doomsday scenario, who’s to say there’ll even be a postal service available to all? I personally think these people are extremists, but they’re out there living the life and have put their money where their mouth is. One thing one community has invested in is a large library of books.

    #451800
    BullseyeBullseye
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    When and if the net goes down and we can’t communicate digitally by 1010101010101010101010 we could always use our computers to communicate by dot and dash… with a HAM radio :tongue:

    #451801
    BullseyeBullseye
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    #451802
    robatclarerobatclare
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    Unfortunately the whole internet censorship thing hasn’t really hit the Mums and Dads around the country – I think that they just don’t know about it.

    Then those that have about it from the news may think that the govt saying that it is about protecting the children is good enough.

    The fact is that it won’t protect children from “the worst of the worst”. It is proposed to block refused classification material – but this includes computer games that don’t fit into the MA rating as Australia does not have an R rating for games.

    So the filter allows R and X rated movies and pictures (that fit into the rating system). Would you want your eight year old viewing this?

    It gives a false sense of security that “the govt is protecting my children from the interwebs” so there may even be less parental supervision!

    … and don’t forget that content is only added to the blacklist after a complaint. How many web pages are there anyway? Over a billion, growing at a million a day according to Google.

    … oh and another thing – the govt censorship is trivial to bypass. Trivial. Using a proxy service (that kids already have learnt to use at school to bypass school filters) is the quickest way around it.

    How could this possibly “protect the children”?

    Please use parental supervision and PC based filters to look after your kids.

    The govt imposed censorship is another waste of our money.

    (Edited because my fingers couldn’t keep up with my rage!)

    #451803
    alokinalokin
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    I think it won’t be long. I simply use the free internet as long as it exists. I don’t think that in some years we will still have the internet as today.

    It has nothing to do with child porn but they picked this because everybody is against child porn. What I read is that child porn is distributed by file sharing.

    Is the filter installed yet? Because the story is several month old.

    #451804
    WazzaWazza
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    Wasn’t it also going to slow the Internet down? Reading Rob’s comments makes me glad that when I had kids at home the Internet hadn’t been invented. Parents may be able to control the Internet at home, but with portable laptops and netbooks, plus the new phone-type devices with good Internet browsing capabilities, it’s a flaming nightmare. Which is why I’m sure the parents of Australia will accept Internet censorship, even if they do have a few doubts about where it could lead.

    #451805
    purplehatpurplehat
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    We had a customer ask about filtering and such for kids. We told her that the best way is to be there when the child is on the internet. Supervision is the only sure-fire way of “filtering”. I know I wouldn’t let a child of my own (none yet thou!) alone on an internet connection – government filtering won’t help anything. It’d be like letting your kid have unsupervised pay TV in their rooms with X rated channels all fully available! The government filtering is a big fat joke. I seriously wonder what their real motivations are, because it sure isn’t “the safety of the children” or anything so noble. I too, urge that anyone with little ones do their own parental controls. You could use a Firefox parental controls add-on combined with filtering, add-blocking and supervision.. but without the supervision, they’ll just get around the blocks.

    I’m not talking about a police state or anything.. but the parents will know when their child can cope with certain content, and what will need further explaining, etc.. Just like the PG classification on telly. Mind you, that use to mean something when I was a kid. Now days some parents let their kids watch just about anything that’s showing, regardless of the rating. It’s disappointing.. but we have to take responsibility for our kids.. we can’t let the government raise them!!

    Excuse my rant. :shy:

    #451806
    bluezbanditbluezbandit
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    We in Tasmania might have something to worry about as there will be NO reference to us anymore as it will all be filtered out. We all know what the map of Tasmania refers to!:lol:

    Deb

    #451807
    robatclarerobatclare
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    alokin wrote:

    It has nothing to do with child porn but they picked this because everybody is against child porn. What I read is that child porn is distributed by file sharing.

    Is the filter installed yet? Because the story is several month old.

    I agree that it has nothing to do with child porn. There are laws in place at the moment to deal with people publishing or downloading child porn and the fed police work are hard at work on this.

    The proposed filter policy was introduced with a budget of $44m, and at the same time some millions of dollars were taken away from the feds! How can this be?

    “Bad things”, like child porn etc are traded by groups that know the consequences of their actions, and therefore vet their membership carefully. They do not publish things on the web so that they can be googled!

    The AFP task force infiltrate these groups and then take them down, one by one.

    By introducing the govt censorship, these criminals will have to use more secure communications to swap content, making it HARDER for the feds to do their work. How does this help?

    I think that this is driven by the media companies, trying to crack down on copyright infringement – downloading music and video without paying the licence fees.

    It is all about control and the tools used are public outrage, carefully manipulated groups like the Australian Christian Lobby (which is a political group) are being used to implement this WOFTAM.

    (Yep – I’m still angry about it!)

    BTW – the filter cannot be implemented until the legislation goes through parliament AFAIK, so no it is not in yet.

    Another BTW – there are ISPs now that offer filtered internet if you want it. People can sign up with these ISPs that offer a range of filtering, but they haven’t. Why? Because they don’t see a problem or are dealing with it themselves.

    Stupid govt.

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