November 23, 2009 at 9:15 am #444269
that is much what hubby and I do –
we have meat twice a week as you say about 150-200g-
free range chicken twice a week, a 1.9kg chicken lasts us 2 weeks. lots of home grow green veggies with both the above plus a few bought cert Organic items like potatos ( which we dont seem to be able to grow very well . We also have to buy Organic onions as they wont grow here either
2 vegetarian meals a week lentils or chickpeas with rice
once a week we have fish, hubby goes fishing off the local beach on his respite day We usually eat herring not fancy but not endangered and high in omega 3. When he doesnt catch any fish its usually eggs on toast 😆
some people say our diet is too bland and doesnt have enough variety but we are both reasonably healthy and about our right weight for height
AnneNovember 23, 2009 at 9:22 am #444270
It’s a tough one, because here, for example, you can’t get organic meat from the supermarkets or butcher. The only free-range chicken I’ve seen is a 30 minute drive away, and it’s from Aldi.. and to be honest, I don’t trust that it’s really free-range at all. I get a couple if I’m driving that way anyway, but it’s rare, and I mostly do it to “support the idea of free range” more than anything else. There is organic meat at the health food store (again, 30 minutes away), but the prices are outrageous – like everything else in that shop. :p
It just sucks.. so we’re stuck with buying “conventional” meats. Even if it were more locally available, we’d maybe get one meal a week of organic or free-range meat, because the budget is tight, and of course, the supermarket wouldn’t stock it for long at that rate – just like the free-range chicken you use to be able to buy here. There’s just no way a family of 2 can support a whole line by ourselves! It wasn’t long before it was taken off the shelf.
So chicken meals are down to a couple of “free-range” Aldi birds a month, and we stick with “conventional” beef – I suppose they’ve had the best life out of any of them, really.. It’s very different going from a large population city like Adelaide to a small one like here! The options are limited where as in Adelaide, you could get just about anything you wanted and good prices.November 23, 2009 at 9:41 am #444271
We all strive to do our best. No oe can ask more. I don’t agree with all the choices or opinions expressed here, but live and let live.November 23, 2009 at 9:56 am #444272
Cant afford it? Eat less of it, not as often, or not at all. Unless of course you (random person who cant afford to eat free range meat/eggs) agree with the way these animals are “cared for”.
I’d rather be the ignorant person who doesn’t know what I’m buying, than the person who knows what they are buying into and supporting it purely for selfish reasons. As has been said in previous threads of this nature – meat and eggs etc are not necessary for a healthy life. It’s a luxury – and IMO if you cant afford it – dont buy it at all!!
Ignorance like mentioned in the first post is amazing, but still continuing on when you know better is just shocking. IMO… 😀November 23, 2009 at 10:06 am #444273
If you are in a country area (or a city which allows it, like here), and can raise your own chickens, a free-range chook would only cost you about $6. Then you can feed it from your garden, kitchen scraps and a bot of bought in grain. Collect eggs, if you wish, or just eat it when it is old enough/big enough. Same principle applies for turkeys and ducks. Start raising your next Christmas turkey in January…. Your Christmas duck in September…. you can be sure it had a good life.November 23, 2009 at 10:13 am #444274
I concur with Anja’s sentiments.
Sometimes it’s much nicer to live and let live than to be right.
*refrains from commenting further because life’s too short*November 23, 2009 at 10:44 am #444275
It is possible to disagree with folk or give a differing opinion without causing grief and it is my personal opinion that there is now at least one other post on this thread that is unnecessarily sharp.
If my opinions cause a thread to be locked then so be it. I cannot abide nastiness and in my opinion some comments on this thread are nasty. Perhaps I am incorrect in my assumptions but the comments are, in the least, unnecessary, imo.
And I will continue to express my opinion until I am asked by Admin to can it.
:tdown::tdown::tdown:November 23, 2009 at 12:11 pm #444276
Gosh, I can’t see any nastiness or unnecessary comments?? This is all very, very tame compared to some forums I’ve been a part of before! 😉 I actually thought it was refreshing to see people expressing their opinion without personal attacks… but then, perhaps I’ve just not spent enough time here yet, and am not aware of previous threads or relationships or underlying inuendo going on???
But, differences make the world go round, and that’s what makes forums interesting, and great places to learn… about yourself and others. You can never please everyone, and there will always be misinterpretations, just like IRL!
*slinks back to asking dumb questions in the fruit and vege sections now*November 23, 2009 at 12:36 pm #444277
The guide I use for making forum posts is, “if the person was in the room with me in person, eyeball to eyeball, would I be prepared to say this to them?” Re-reading my post (as I appear to be one of the ‘defendants’ in the dock here) the answer is yes. Like dixiebelle, I think the thread is expressing different opinions from various persons, but not personally attacking anyone. If we suddenly all started agreeing with each other, I’d suspect that the powers that be had put something in the water supply.November 23, 2009 at 8:02 pm #444278
My doc would disagree with the idea that we don’t need meat and eggs. (Of course, free range eggs are damn easy to come by and I can’t understand those that don’t buy them – the price difference isn’t THAT much with eggs!) We eat a LOT of eggs, (at least a dozen a week each!) and free range is better for the bird, and MUCH better for me – when I was pretty sick, I would react to non-free-range eggs. Bad reaction.. :rip: eeh, the memories.. anyway.. 🙂
What I mean is, during one stage of my treatment and recovery, my doctor wanted me to eat meat once a day. That’s a lot of meat, I know! I don’t eat quite that much anymore, but it’s still a big part of our diet. I’m really looking forward to getting our own chooks, that way we KNOW they’ve had a good life and are really free-range… not fed anything that we wouldn’t eat ourselves, if you know what I mean.
I didn’t think this thread got too personal, though.. just everyone expressing their opinions. It’d be great if free-range and organic meats could become more the norm than the exception. Maybe then the prices would become a little more reasonable for everyone to afford. I don’t really agree with the sentiment that if you can’t afford it, then you shouldn’t eat it at all. Would anyone say that about vegetables, or water? IMO it’s on the same level. (I know vegetarians won’t agree with me there!)November 23, 2009 at 8:12 pm #444279
I have never really thought about it, but always assumed supermarket chickens would be the cheapest quality available. I see them more of a convenience than any thing, with them sitting in the hotbox for god knows how long. It would be like expecting KFC to use free range.November 23, 2009 at 8:22 pm #444280
Talking about the price of meat one thing I found really bizarre when talking to dad about his stock recently was that store vealers (those destined to be fed on feed lots for a few months) had been dearer than fat ready to kill grass fed vealers (conventional not organic) at the recent sales.
He is western Vic who have had a bumber spring and was looking for cheap stock to fatten as he has far too much grass at the moment even after cutting hay and was lookin for some store cattle to fatten. What has happened that IMHO the better meat anyway (grassfed), cheaper to produce and far more humanely produced is considered of less value:confused:? I already avoid the butchers near here that advertises that it only stocks grainfed beef. When I can’t get meat from Dads I go to a butcher that buys the grassfed beef instead. GM4L this may be something that you may be able to ask about that you may be able to manage on a tight income.
I know people who will only buy free range eggs and yet prefer to buy grain fed beef. I don’t think most people understand these come from feed lots and that these are not much better the chicken farms. This is something that I think needs people to be educated about so they can make an informed choice.
KerrieNovember 23, 2009 at 10:08 pm #444281
Gothic Mumma 4 LifeMember
Cos it comes down to what I can afford for my family.
I think there’s a price to be paid for low-cost food, but not by us. It results in unconscionable cruelty to animals â€“ chickens crowded 20 to a cage, with about the personal space of a magazine page, and pigs confined so tightly in concrete stalls for their entire lives that they can never turn around. Would you be happy to keep your pet cat or dog like that? Actually, you can’t, it’s illegal, but not for other animals, because that would make meat more expensive and we can’t have that, can we? If the majority can eat meat produced under these conditions, once they know about them, okay, but lots of us simply can’t, knowing the price paid by animals living short lives in unimaginable suffering so we can have cheap protein. Cheap food is only possible through cruel and inhumane production means. It also impoverishes farmers and demeans food itself. Cheap food is possible only if people are willing to accept the cruelty that makes it possible. Meat should be expensive and always was, until the advent of factory farming. Traditional societies understood that meat was a special food, they revered it as one of nature’s highest gifts. If we did too, perhaps we’d be prepared to pay more for it? And if we paid more for it, perhaps we wouldn’t throw out so much food uneaten â€“ 25-30% according to the many surveys over the years. And it’s not just meat. Cheap, non-organic vegetables also come at a cost. Conventional, industrialised vegetable farming kills soil, kills rivers and kills the land itself. Itâ€™s simply unsustainable. It may put cheap food on the table now, but its days are numbered. Do we have to wait until the whole sorry system collapses before taking action? Most of us have given up on governments doing anything, so it will have to occur by a consumer revolution, which is slowly happening. Organic food sales continue to rise by 10% a year, even during these difficult economic times. And finally, Iâ€™m amazed at our hypocrisy as a nation in criticising Japan for whaling. The whales’ death by harpooning is certainly a cruel and terribly sad end for such magnificent creatures, but at least they got to be whales and swim around in the sea for a few years. Thatâ€™s more than the battery-farmed chooks get, or the pigs and other sentient animals, or do you believe they’re incapable of suffering?
To me yes that is personal as you quoted me saying
Cos it comes down to what I can afford for my family
and you started yabbering about cruelty to animals :rip: How that has gotto do what doing my best for my family :shrug: (and no i dont want a response cos its off topic i supose?)
So i feel it was un called for maybe if you didnt quote me it wouldnt be personal as it would be aimed as a statement not at my comment?
Thank you Bobbee :hug:
kerrieb i will look into it thanks 🙂
I just think its irronic how we expect people to think the way we do (free range, solar ect ect ect) yet when they dont they are “ignorant”.
So what are we when we dont see there point of view?
We are just as ignorant as some cannot carry the level of understanding to see both sides.
I see both sides and belive you do what you can. This world isnt perfect and i will tell you my family comes first in everything and if them having non organic meat is what we can do at the moment id rather that then nothing.
Im not starting anything i just wanted the chance to defened the clam Wazza wasnt being personal at me.
And for those of you who said you dont know my situation your right, you dont, sometimes things in life arent black and white….November 23, 2009 at 11:11 pm #444282
stepping away from the “personal” nature of it all, and getting back on topic; I just thought I should add, that at the Larger supermarkets, on weekends, look for the organic products. Usually (we do at my store) reduce them on Sat arvo’s. Check the useby dates on these products, They HAVE to be OFF THE SHELVES the day BEFORE their use-by dates. Keep your eyes on them if you have access to getting to the shops more than once a week, cause they WILL go for less by the time that date rolls around. This is the only way that I can actually squeeze organic meats into my diet. Most big chainstores get meat deliveries 3-4 times per week, and are sales driven. (automatic ordering) so lets try to be nice to eachother, check out the specials, and help one another out by letting us all know where the specials are!November 23, 2009 at 11:32 pm #444283
Wow, sorry if I opened a can of works.
I guess one of the issues for me was the aspect of ignorance, because working in both allied health and research, it is an area very big on “informed consent” people need to know what they are signing up for. So I guess my opinion is that regardless of what or why you choose to eat what you do, you should be properly informed about the issues surrounding it so you can make informed decisions.
So I have taken some advice from one of the early replies (sorry I forgot who suggested it) and have sent an email to IGA expressing my disappointment at the staff’s lack of knowledge about the produce they are selling, and about issues regarding food production (issues that may be important to their customers). So we’ll see what happens.
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