August 19, 2009 at 11:08 am #349236
Maybe I got something wrong, but why couldn’t you send your kid to TAFE or Uni after being homeschooled? I did VCE at TAFE and went on to TAFE doing other courses. You can go to Uni after TAFE too, don’t need the TER score thingy. It’s all possible, is it not?August 19, 2009 at 11:51 am #349237
It sure is possible, purplehat, I know several homeschool graduates now studying at uni. 🙂
I’ve homeschooled our children right from the start and I’d recommend this lifestyle to most families. I have a background in primary education and developmental psychology and to be honest I think the formal education system (ie schools) is seriously lacking. Many of my friends who are current or ex-teachers (and homeschool, or not) agree.
I don’t think Rene needs judgement right now, but support…
Rene, perhaps you might like to look to:
There’s heaps of support out there. Rene, you’ll do well because you care. Go for it!August 19, 2009 at 12:22 pm #349238
HG I stand by my comments. No offence to you personally, but I don’t think ANYBODY who hasn’t been a parent really understands what it’s like. To say that you know what it’s like being a parent because you’ve been a child is … ahem … I won’t finish that sentence.
And I never said all parents were wise! Or that all non-parents were not. Simply that you haven’t walked in these shoes.August 19, 2009 at 1:20 pm #349239
purplehat, yes, it’s perfectly possible to go to uni. I have a number of friends whose kids have gotten in via various routes. And in fact I don’t have a single homeschooling friend whose kids have wanted to go to uni and couldn’t find a way.
You can start with Open Uni and then transfer, you can do VCE (or whatever it is in your state) at a senior college or adult education, you can go through TAFE, you can work/do OE/whatever until you’re a “mature” student and then just enrol without any quals at all, you can do a bridging course … and they always have a few spots that lecturers can give to “special” students – you just arrange an interview with the departmental head and show them what you’ve done. If they’re impressed they make arrangements to get you in. In fact I’ve heard the majority of students at uni do not enter under VTAC. Schools present it as the only option but it’s just not so.
Sometimes it’s actually easier to get in without going through VTAC. I have a friend who took her DD out of school halfway through year 11 because she was soooo miserable at school, and she was really worried about how she’d get into uni. Well she approached the head of the course where DD wanted to study to find out what she’d need to do, and showed him some of her work, and he accepted her on the spot! 18 months of stress, and worrying about VTAC scores, and would they be enough to get her in, gone! :tup:August 19, 2009 at 1:42 pm #349240
Another option for families in Victoria http://www.yeahs.vic.edu.au/home/ayce/index.htm
The program is based at Yea High School, with off campus centres for weekly meetings. I don’t know where their centres are now, but there was one in Lilydale a few years ago.
They cover highschool subjects, with the possibility of advanced placement available to kids who would stagnate in a regular classroom.August 19, 2009 at 3:30 pm #349241
Argh, there are so many things I want to say about this, and it’s late, so if I don’t make too much sense, that might be why…
I think if you decide to homeschool, people will think you are weird. It’s just something you’re going to have to face. You know, because you can do certain things which people think are fine:
Neighbour: Oh, so you’re using Australian grown bamboo as a floorbase on your house because it’s environmentally viable and you care about the environment? Good for you! (Nods appreciatively at you)
Neighbour: Oh, so you’re homeschooling your children? (DINGDINGDING WEIRDO!!!)
So, the first thing is to be prepared for that reaction and I guess as others have said, have a thick skin about it. The reason why people think it’s weird, is because mostly they only have come into contact with homeschooled children they consider “odd”. This might be because homeschooling can be an option for children who don’t fit the mainstream school mould well, or who have learning difficulties which are not being handled well by the school, and so rather than seeing the school as the problem, people prefer to see the h/s children as the problem.
Rene and John wrote:
I also do not (personally) think it is healthy for “my” babies to board away from home so young (if ever, my babies belong with me). So we are thinking that high school at least, I will do at home.
I can empathise, Rene – I was sent to boarding school at 12 and while I had some fantastic experiences there and really really appreciate the fact that my parents scrimped and saved to send me, I also think I missed out on building important family relationships with them and with my siblings. Besides, if you find that they get to 15 and really really want to go to mainstream school, there is the option of sending them to high school for Years 11 and 12, and you can decide then if boarding is something you/they want to do.
There are other factors like the fact that today DD10 asked us to help her learn her times tables, which we agreed to. She had bought the table home & asked us to quiz her, & soon found that the only one she really knows is her “2’s”:jawdrop: her ‘”3’s” are so so. She then informed us that the teacher had noted this & told her that we needed to help her improve….can someone tell me what he is being paid for then???
He’s being paid to
-introduce and explain the concept
-practise it in class with individuals and with the group
-give real world examples
-link this information with previously acquired knowledge and that which they will be learning in the future.
He needs to do this for every student in his care, of which your daughter is one. The fact that he has noted that she’s having problems means he’s ON THE BALL. If he hadn’t noticed, he wouldn’t be doing his job. If she’s in Year 5 or 6 and having trouble with the 3 times table, then maybe she does need to improve a bit, with your help. I know that comes across as harsh and a bit full on, and I apologise, but it hits a nerve (you guessed right, in my former life – and perhaps a future one – I was/will be a teacher).
I don’t know, perhaps he’s otherwise not very engaged with the students, or whatever – I don’t know this teacher or the situation, but I do know that it’s really hard to spend all the time you want to with every student, and so the fact that he’s realised she needs help but can’t give it doesn’t make him a bad teacher – it just means he’s time constrained and is encouraging you to help her learn. (and maybe this is something you need to consider – the time constraints of your local teacher – as to whether the classroom is the best place for your daughter).
Ive had people look at me like Im a freak, or ask how I will find the time with all my other parenting duties.
As yet both children are still at the local p school as we are wanting to research it thoroughly & have a few handy retorts to throw back at the poo pooers that might just keep them quite at least.
Re the freak-expression, see above (they are just going to think you’re weird) and the best way to have something to throw back at the poo-pooers is the fact that your children are well adjusted, polite (when necessary 😉 ), educated, well-rounded people. Really, until they see the proof with their own eyes, they won’t believe it. How’s that for a challenge?!! 😆
How will you find time with all your other parenting duties? Because obviously you change into a completely different person when you are schooling them?! I can understand that kind of comment throwing you off, I’m not sure what this person thinks happens – that you can’t parent and teach at the same time? For goodness’ sake, it’s what parents do everyday!
While there are a lot of links you can go to, I think with this kind of thing you would be best trying to see if there are some other homeschoolers nearby with whom you can visit, ask them about their weekly “routine”, how they cope with the ignorance, pessimism or concerns of family and friends, because it’s only IRL you’ll really get a feel for it, yk?
Good luck with it. :hug: It’s something I looked into, but so far it’s not for me… despite being a teacher, and so knowing some of the theory etc behind learning, and knowing that the education system is oh-so-far from perfect, I don’t think it would be healthy for my children and me to spend all day every day together 😆 Plus, despite my misgivings about mainstream school, I’ll probably go back to working there in some capacity or another in the future, which means that children being at school and me working at school makes a lot of sense (not that I wouldn’t give that up in an instant if I needed to – just so you don’t think I’m sending my children to school merely out of convenience for my own employment! :geek: )
Again, good luck (esp with the ex-h) and let us know how you go…August 19, 2009 at 10:24 pm #349242
Becca I agree about the boarding thing. A decision to send your child to boarding school is not just about what’s best for them educationally – it’s also about how much your family values being together.
My cousin sent some of her kids to board and regretted it. Her two older sons weren’t particularly academic, so they went to the local high school. Not that it was a dreadful place, just that it was a small town and there wasn’t a lot of subject choice and so on. Then came two daughters were both very academic types so they made a decision to send them to board in the city. What happened is the girls lost their day-to-day connection and intimacy with the family – during the holidays the girls would sit in their room talking about school stuff because that seemed more relevant to them than spending time with their brothers and the younger siblings – it was like they weren’t part of the family any more. The girls did really well at school but my cousin and her husband said if they could do it over they would have kept the girls home in order to keep the family together. Jobs come and go but family is forever.August 20, 2009 at 10:19 am #349243
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I feel the need to defend myself somewhat due to a couple of comments made. I have always been involved in my childrens education, we still read every night & everything we do together is usually turned into a home lesson, ie; baking, gardening, craft, music & singing, dancing & excersising & all manner of outings & family holidays. Usually if I am informed there is a problem we try to use one of these family moments to teach them in another way. DD 10 is number 4 to be put through school & I have always been involved in their education. I know that most people on here dont know me personally so I am trying not to allow myself to be too stung by personal critisism, but I am one of the last people who could be accused of not being involved in their childrens lives/education.In fact I am currently writing words in dots (for DD5 to trace) & being the dictionary for DD10 whilst she reads to me (for big words she hasnt come accross before) My being surprised about my daughter’s times tables was a shock for me as at her last school I was told her maths was great! So either someone there missed something or she has gone slighlty backward since moving, & if that is the only thing I have over looked in her education to date then I dont think I should be drawn & quartered for it. Apart from that, english, history & home ec were my strong points at school, not maths.
As for her teacher, DD 10 has had some problems with him since starting at a new school in term one & I dont think either of them has warmed to the other, & there have been a few occasions where I have been a bit….how do I say/…vexed with his attitude. This is his first posting out of uni & he had to go to a very small remote school that he clearly cant wait to leave. In saying that, he is a very nice young man, & I appreciate that his job is harder than most mainstream teachers, having to teach 3 year groups in 1 class of 30. And I have had a few talks with him, in the interest of my childs education.
My comments were merely examples, that I was using for one side of the choice I am mulling over at the moment. And I guess I was kinda hoping to get some peoples stories about how they have dealt with opposition to deciding to home school.
I am not against mainstream school….goodness Ive used it for 16 years so far, & I am one of those parents who offers to help in the classroom, so I take my hat off to teachers, some students they have to deal with are extremely hard work.
Thanx to those of you who offered some positive advice & gave me some stories & information to nut over. This is a big decision & I never make any final decision without researching it to death first, talking it to death with my hubby & children & then researching it sum more. So you will probably hear from me again, probably with more questions:DAugust 20, 2009 at 10:26 am #349244
Rene and JohnMember
Oh I just wanted to add that although I think educating our children is important, I do not believe that it needs to be the be all and end all of a childs existence. I have never cared if my children were little einstiens, I have only ever wanted them to be able to actually “be children” in the few short childhood years they have & to be happy & loved to pieces.August 20, 2009 at 11:17 am #349245
Rene you are so right there. Education can happen at any time in one’s life, but you only get one childhood. :tup:
All the best with making a decision!August 21, 2009 at 7:56 am #349246
I know that I don’t always deal well with ‘critical’ questions re our decision to Home Ed. I can’t say that I have developed a thick skin, or cutting wit. I can’t say that I don’t feel disappointed when called upon to justify, yet again, why we feel this decision to be best… particularly to family members (who have all heard the whys and wherefors)… BUT I have learned to focus on the others. In our extended family, there are 3 homeschooling families… all spread far and wide, but that is what the phone is for ;). We all agree that you simply don’t have certain conversations with certain people. I am blessed to have both these sisters in law.
My own sister is studying to become a teacher’s aide and says more than ever she has come to understand why we home ed.
There are other examples from our home ed journey that I (usually jot down) draw upon to feel encouraged… like the lady who said, ” If your kids are the way they are because you home educate them, then keep doing it”.
You won’t ever be able to surround yourself with only ‘yes men’, so you don’t have to fear that as an outcome, but make sure you find plenty of encouragment… people who understand why you do it… how you achieve it, and help you get on with it. Having to spend energy constantly worrying about how to address ‘those questions’ takes your head out of the ‘school room’… not good.
There is so much to say, this is really the sort of thing best discussed round a table and over a cup of tea. So… if you can find other homeschoolers who meet together, then so much the better. It will also help the kids to feel that their school life is not so abnormal and that others do it that way to.;)August 21, 2009 at 11:47 am #349247
You have a hard lot of things to sort through and I don’t envy you. I am lucky to have a good school around the corner my daughter can walk to every day.
You have my sympathy on the new teacher, we had similar experiences with my daughters teacher last year. She was full of enthusiasm and had clearly picked up everything academically BUT was lacking experience on dealing with the emotional stuff and my daughter never really warmed to her.
I boarded with another family for year 11 and 12 as the local school only went to year 10. As it was a fly in/out situation I only went home long weekends and holidays. For me it was a really positive experience overall and I grew up heaps and appreciated my family even more afterwards. But 2 years earlier on I think it may have been a different situation.
One of my sisters friends mum had taught her and her brother by correspondence for years as they were in remote areas at the time. I really admired her Mum as she was doing correspondence a year ahead of her son, as due to being in Holland during WW2 she had only achieved grade 6 education there. Anyway she got to a point to where she felt she couldn’t do it any longer and arranged to send the 2 kids to boarding school, my sisters friend (12) nearly had a nervous breakdown so her husband managed to transfer to where we were at the time so they could attend school. When she was 16 she had to board again and was fine then.
Another of my sisters friends pulled her kids out of school for two years to home school (she is in Melbourne) as her eldest had fallen miles behind. It turned out he had some hearing problems that weren’t picked up until he was 8 so no one had compensated for them. She was a teacher and was reluctant to do this as she had all sorts of doubts (all the questions people seem to have raised on this thread) about this, but felt it was the only way her son had a chance of catching up. Her experience turned out to be very positive and she enjoyed the get togethers with other homeschooling families very much. After two years she reenrolled her son in the local school and has been happy since. Her boy that was having trouble with his work is doing very well in high school now.
So from what I’ve seen it seems to be best to work out what is best for your own kids. It may be homeschool or the boarding school or the local school. I would think that it would be more difficult to homeschool when the children are in year 11 and 12 because of the depth of knowledge required for some of their subjects and you may need to review what is best then. But maybe you could find someone to tutor them in specific subjects if this is a problem.August 21, 2009 at 12:24 pm #349248
I think the year 11/12 thing depends on the individual child. As time has gone on, my DD (16 now) has gotten so good at learning independently that it’s actually very easy for me. Basically she tells me about what she’s doing, and I get resources for her and take her places, and I don’t do much actual “teaching”. She’s doing amazing stuff she would never have time to do if she was in school – uni level linguistics and art history, and she’s writing a novel. The only thing she has a tutor for these days is Japanese calligraphy – she’s an advanced Japanese student and wanted help with making her writing look beautiful. She would hate to give up her freedom now! She loves learning so much, it would be torture for her to be trapped in a classroom being told what to do all day.August 21, 2009 at 8:40 pm #349249
If she decides to go to uni then she should do well then as the students who I thought struggled the most in may cases were those who had been spoon fed at some of the elite schools on how to get best entrance score for university. But had not learnt how to work independently without the school/mum dad pushing them everyday.August 21, 2009 at 11:50 pm #349250
If she decides to go to uni then she should do well then as the students who I thought struggled the most in may cases were those who had been spoon fed at some of the elite schools on how to get best entrance score for university. But had not learnt how to work independently without the school/mum dad pushing them everyday.
I think this is really true – out of the students that went to Uni in my grade (and I was one), it was the “top” students who had the most difficult time adjusting to the radically different approach to teaching and learning in Uni.
At school the focus is on getting the best grade *to get into Uni*, and there are teachers there every step of the way to help and guide, and correct mistakes, and read drafts and give advice on researching etc etc.
But at uni that is all very different. Lecturers and tutors will read a draft, if you really want them to, but generally it is left up to you to reread and edit your work. The might make suggestions on where to look if you are really having troubles finding info, but the general expectation is that you will do your own research, are responsible for getting your work in on time, and that you will manange your own work/life balance.
And I saw quite a few of the kids I went to school with hit dorm life and you could *see* them go “wow! there is no one telling me when I have to study, reminding me that I have an assignment due in three days, taking me to the library, I am FREE!” 😆 Even the level headed ones who had worked as well as studied in their senior years got caught here. Beer and parties are much more interesting that study – and will take priority unless the student is USED to being responsible for organising their studies and time.
To me, that is a pretty big advantage of homeschooling over school – being responsible for organising yourself is something that translates well into Uni and into the workplace 😉
And as has been mentioned, by the time kids reach year 11 and 12 – even before then – the main role of a parent in homeschooling is to help provide access to resources to study material, not to actually “teach”. The best teachers I had at school used to do exactly that too 😉 And should there be a need for more advanced studies, well there are tutors – even schooled kids use them on occasion!
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