December 26, 2009 at 6:32 am #448232redhen2Member
i’ve been thinking about this, too. i was quite happy with my attempts to eat locally and ethically and tread lightly on the planet.
on thursday, we went to the pub (to see santa :D). we drank coopers. we bought a sausage sw each from teh fundraising bbq.
mmm. how yummy, i thought. but the truth is that at gold coin donation, the meat will have suffered and be full of antibiotics that i would rather not share and teh bread will be super white, full of pesticides that, again, i don’t want.
turns out, i am committed unless it gets in the way of having a good time. :p
on a happier note, my kids’ main christmas presents were recycled or made of scrap/reclaimed stuff.December 26, 2009 at 6:35 am #448233EmbersMember
I feel like we’ve made all the “easy” changes (growing our own food, walking to school/riding to work, etc), now we need to spend a chunk of money to take it further. The mortgage is our only debt now, so we’re starting to save for the big stuff, but I just can’t read books such as the one mentioned because it makes me almost impatient enough to get a loan to cover it! 😉December 26, 2009 at 6:42 am #448234dixiebelleMember
Then get a Green Loan. Up to $10,000, 4 years Interest Free. Maybe??? Think of the savings you could make in 4 years, with solar power etc.
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The Green Loans Program provides:
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I think the next step for me, besides staying motivated and challenging myself to keep on keeping on, is to be more active… sign more petitions, go to protests, write more emails, spread the word, get involved in the community and get the community involved.
I am planning on starting an Eco Kids playgroup next year… but I want to make sure I’ve got the time & energy to devote to it first…December 26, 2009 at 8:09 am #448235EmbersMember
I’ve been thinking about the Green Loans, but to be honest the rigmarole and long waiting periods experienced by others on the other thread has put me off. I may have saved enough already by the time I get the loan funds! 😉December 26, 2009 at 8:56 am #448236AnjaMember
Thank you all for your input! It has made me realise that I am not the only one in this situation and that I am not doing as badly as I thought I was!December 26, 2009 at 9:08 am #448237
Anja, I also belive things like this are here to teach us stuff you know?
Like you were saying you felt you were doing bad, but in reality your doing your best and really what more can you do?
If we were millionares im sure it would be diffrent as we would have the funds/time ect to do alot more.
Keep doing what you are and be happy cos if your not happy doing it why do it at all?;)December 26, 2009 at 9:07 pm #448238ChezzaParticipant
I was watching carbon cops the other day and the family got themselves to being carbon neutral…
Not entirely sure how to go about it but through changing their habits and a few things around the home they look to save about $7000/yr. Then they spent about $700 offsetting their car and buying green power becoming carbon neutral and saving $$$$…
They were big power users in the first place and live in a Sydney suburb so they could only go so far with how much they could do but they found ways around it…December 26, 2009 at 9:16 pm #448239gremmblesMember
Yes I think it is possible to become carbon neutral but it takes time and money to get there, even if the end result is savings. Shows like that are motivating though and they give you ideas. In my new house (which I will move into int he next week or two), I had the elecrtrician put in a master switch for all the power going into the lounge room (were most of our gadgets are), one switch and I can turn the lot off. I figured it would be easier to flick one switch before I went to bed or out than to turn each thing off at the wall. Slowly, slowly I change things…..and it helps get DH used to the idea.December 26, 2009 at 11:47 pm #448240WazzaMember
Moving towards a carbon-neutral lifestyle doesn’t have to be hugely expensive, because it’s not necessary to have to have your own solar panels on the roof or a Toyota Prius in the garage. Looking at my electricity consumption for the past year, I used a total of 3,300 kWh â€“ about 9 kWh per day. To have that electricity generated from renewable sources I paid a GreenPower levy of $200, which is less than $4 per week. Easy enough to find, even from my single age pensioner’s budget. My present vehicle is a 3.0 litre turbo-diesel, which produces 4.25 tonnes of greenhouse gases per year to travel 15,000 kilometres. To offset this I pay $100 per year, or slightly less than $2 per week, into a scheme to revegetate cleared land with local native species which, in time, will offset my vehicle emissions. Not only that, but it will gradually return the degraded landscape to its original state. There are various arguments against carbon offset schemes, but for those of us without large reserves of capital, or the ability to make radical lifestyle changes, they’re a means of doing something.December 28, 2009 at 3:52 am #448241MetuMember
There’s a big problem in society with belief. We flip-flop so much that we don’t know what to expect from ourselves, or the things we aim to be committed to.
Committment in any form, can only come from:
(a) belief in the cause
(b) belief in your abilities, no matter where that takes you.
If people struggle, they struggle with belief, first and foremost.
The danger I see in “feel-good” measures about our personal beliefs however, is the unwillingness to feel any discomfort at all. We’re prepared to give-up instead, because we cannot fathom discomfort in a world that aims to remove us from it.
Yet discomfort can be a wonderful tool to learn true balance and meaning in ourselves. We are fortunate to come from a society which allows the option to voluntarily choose discomfort at our own pace. In other parts of the world where discomfort is forced upon the population, survival becomes a genuine matter of life and death.
So it’s indeed a priviledge, to be able to discus discomfort in regards to our committments. We only have imagined consequences for the discomfort we feel, when the reality is, we can always choose comfort at our discretion.
Enduring discomfort is what gives committment it’s meaning. Otherwise, it’s just a word.
This is not aimed at anyone. This is just the accummulation of my life’s journey with committment. And I’ve been some places a girl just ain’t supposed to see…and life still asks for more, LOL. 😉
Committment is a priviledge, no matter what it asks of you. You just have to believe in what you’re committed to. :tup:December 28, 2009 at 9:16 pm #448242gremmblesMember
Your passion for what you do is always inspiring Metu. You articulate your ideas so well.
I don’t see the changes I make as bringing discomfort though. I see it as changing habits and adapting to to new ways of doing things. Maybe because I grew up with nothing and we lived a self sufficient out of necessity. I am just going back to my roots.
Some changes bring me joy that I had forgotten existed. If you can eat a fruit or a vegetable all year round then it loses meaning; It’s just food. When you eat seasonally, the first tomato, mango, mandarin of the season is truly special. YOu savour it. I had forgotten food could be so wonderful.
Doing without stuff I don’t need is strangely liberating. I am happy in my knowledge, that I don’t need stuff to make me happy.
The enjoyment I get from living a simpler life brings it’s own rewards and strengthens my commitment.December 28, 2009 at 10:40 pm #448243dixiebelleMember
Well said gremmbles!
I agree with Metu, that often what stops people from making changes for a ‘greener’ or simpler lifestyle is discomfort, and also, because they like convenience. People might care what happens, they want to lessen their impact, but the problem is, the society, the economy and the lifestyles that have caused the problems, also mean we are too busy, and also, too caught up in monetary values & our narcissistic lifestyles to commit to it. It is a much more pleasant life to just stick your head in the sand, pretend it isn’t happening, or that it’s someone elses problem! I know that’s what I do when I get overwhelmed by all the things I think I should or shouldn’t be doing…
Being committed to the cause works better for me, taking one step at a time, making changes to habits until they just become part of your life, then looking to the next thing to work on. It might seem like I am copping out of some issues that I need to change, but as I’ve said, if I try to take it all on at once, then I am less effective in general.
And I don’t agree that having more money would be the solution to all the problems, because I tend to think having too much money has been one of the causes! That, and power…December 29, 2009 at 12:30 am #448244
And I don’t agree that having more money would be the solution to all the problems, because I tend to think having too much money has been one of the causes! That, and power…
Its a indavidual thing i think?
For us if we had more money we would:
*Get off the grid and get a heap of solar/wind power things.
**Buy a bigger place out of town (whilst we are greatful to be here its not our long term goal, its our starting place IYKWIM?)
***Have enough land to be as self sufficent as possable with food, chooks ect and grow for family aswell.
****Try to do everything in my power to do what i could to be more efficent (i do now but as in costly things for example replacing old for newer less energy things).
Ive always said this if DH or i got a better paying job then his crappy min wage one now, we wouldnt spend the extra we ernt on crap. It would go on the homeloan so we could have our dream of acreage sooner then later.December 29, 2009 at 7:55 am #448245daksaMember
Hi Gothic Mumma
Like you i have dreamed of land and self sufficency for the last thirty years and like you on min wage and kids to bring up it never eventuated. We have friends who did buy 5 achers and tried to do the talk, but moved back to the city evenrualy. What we have now realised is that you can acualy do a lot on a very small amount of land. we utilize most of the space we have for growing food crop that does not need too much water, and we crop more than we can use, sharing with friends and neighbours. dream your dream but walk the talk now and you will find the middle ground, best of luckDecember 29, 2009 at 9:43 pm #448246
Hi Gothic Mumma
Like you i have dreamed of land and self sufficency for the last thirty years and like you on min wage and kids to bring up it never eventuated. We have friends who did buy 5 achers and tried to do the talk, but moved back to the city evenrualy. What we have now realised is that you can acualy do a lot on a very small amount of land. we utilize most of the space we have for growing food crop that does not need too much water, and we crop more than we can use, sharing with friends and neighbours. dream your dream but walk the talk now and you will find the middle ground, best of luck
I am walking the walk now, i just harvested over 20 corn 6 tomartoes 7 cucumbers 4 lettice 3 mini pumkins and waiting on more and oh i forgot Shallots pack choi and silver beat 🙂
I want the land to have more room to expand what im doing without upsetting my DH cos ive taken half the back yard and soon the front.
There are lots of reasons we want land and my DH grew up on the land and i did too, its in our blood.
I walk the walk now and have made so many changes in this past year ive been branded nutts 😆
I forgoed a wedding so i could buy water tanks so it was a backyard wedding insted of one at a function place.:tup:
ETA: Its not just a dream 🙂 It wil be reality one day in the next 20 odd years 😆
We are young (24 and 27 been here for 2 years already almost jan 17) and have a good start.
We pour everything into our loan we can, my budget is so tight so we can make our hope a reality. Ok so we might be in our 40’s and just buying our big block of land but its something we look forward too. Its why we are going without tings and being tight with money for later in life. Everything we do now is for then.:tup:
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