April 3, 2011 at 12:28 am #493360BootstrapperMember
Lady B post=308480 wrote: Just to clarify the topic here:
How are you responding to peak oil? I think the emphasis is on the word “you”.
We’re treading dangerously close to the problem we’ve had before where the thread risks degenerating into a “my link is better than your link’ kind of tittle tattle. If that happens, the thread will be locked which would be a shame.
So how are YOU responding to peak oil?
My apologies LB.
I think that Industrial Civilisation will go out with a whimper rather than a bang. So I’m preparing for a long slow bumpy ride that my great grandchildren will see the end of.
I’m in the process of ‘tooling-up’ both with physical tools and knowledge. I’m accumulating good quality hand-tools (as distinct from power tools) for wood and metal working, gardening (although I plan to acquire a engine-powered cultivator and mulcher) and mechanical/engineering work. I live in the city so I don’t have a garden. I’m growing veggies in planter boxes on the patio for practice and for the produce, limited as it is. My library is constantly expanding; I try to cover the basics on as many practical subjects as possible. One can’t be an expert at everything, but I think that being aware of the basics of many subjects at least gives you the ability to ‘bone-up’ quickly, should the need arise. I’m competent (if not expert) at a variety of potentially useful activities. I can drive and operate machinery like trucks, tractors and backhoes. I can fly an aircraft. I can sail a boat. Until my current car, I did all my own mechanical work. I drive a diesel car and have plans and parts to convert it to run on SVO, when the need arises. I have a ‘well-stocked’ larder and am increasing it constantly. My investments have been swapped into things which I think will ride out the effects of Peak Oil with minimal loss of utility and value and over which I retain as much control as possible.
I’m also working on ‘Plan-B’ just in case we encounter a “Black Swan”. 😉
While physical preperations are important, mental preparation will count for far more when things start falling apart. The casualties in any crisis (physical or economic) will be those who fail to think about what could go wrong will stand transfixed like Deer in headlights as the disaster bears down upon them. Those who cling desperately to the notion that ‘business as usual’ can continue by ‘alternative means’ (vapourware) will expend what (limited) energy and rescources they have left running in circles, accomplishing nothing. Friends and family consider me a ‘doom-merchant’ but I think I have an optimistic outlook; Yes, Industrial Civilisation is in its end-game, but I have accepted that and am looking at how me and mine can ride the decline safely and continue to live a secure, civilised and reasonably comfortable life.April 3, 2011 at 10:47 am #493361SurvegalistMember
When we bought our home/retreat we were going to get grid conect solar at the old buy back price which would have made it more viable,thanks to the intelligent Keneally thought process it dosen’t add up to well now.As it is we keep electricity down to the barest minimum,not allways so easy as the house water is by way of a pump.We have taken to filling two 40ltr drums with water from our gravity piped tank to use in the house for every water use except showers(Something we don’t have every day).I’m in the process of making an old day shower/bathhouse,gravity fed and woodchip heated,and to hook the loo up to gravity feed.At the mo it’s the old”If it’s yellow let it mellow,If it’s brown send it down”method to save the useing the pump.
A few other things on the list include.
1,A cold smokehouse for the cureing and preserving meat/fish ect..
2,A stand alone solar system to run just a few lights and a freezer/fridge conversion,not a house full of useless electric gadgets
3,A stone root celler for cool storage.
4,a rather large size solar De-hydrator.
All these things in some way will lesson the PO impact,are designed for off grid living and are fully self sustainable.I might sound a bit over the top but,I like the thought of useing electricity to create the Items that will make electricity a forgotten luxury.B)April 3, 2011 at 1:43 pm #493362roddam63Member
Bootstrapper – I think the series of disasters in Japan might prove to be the Black Swan event of which you speak.
Our ‘just in time’ systems are extremely fragile and interconnected. All it takes is one component to cease to function at expected capacity and the rest will seize up. China might be increasing it’s electronics manufacturing but we still rely on Japan for a number of highly specialised components. Aspects of that supply will soon, if it hasn’t already, dry up. What then?
Meanwhile, my own efforts to secure a comfortable future centre around [as much as possible] creating a low energy lifestyle.
I figure that so long as I can keep a roof over our heads and food on the table we’ll be able to work on the rest. Cold and hungry people don’t seem to think too well!
So, the stockpile is a work in progress, the whole garden is fast becoming the kitchen garden and new skills are being learned all the time. I have solid fuel heating and cooking as well as access to fuel supplies. I also have the community connections to be able to barter for those things I cannot make, grow or obtain for myself.
I work in IT but I also have horticulture qualifications and am learning as much as I can about nutrition and herb lore, too. There might not be heaps of work in IT in 10 years time but there will always be opportunities to keep people healthy. I also knit a pretty good pair of socks!
Security is something that I ponder often… As a single parent it’s a challenge I need to confront.
I’m also working on managing as much as possible without inputs from government/privatised infrastructure [water/power/sewage, etc.]. That, too, is a work in progress.
I really believe that society in general has absolutely no clue that our current way of life is so fragile. They believe in ‘White Knight’ planning, that something or someone [government/corporate/technology] will come in and save the day.
I gave up on fairy tales a long time ago…April 3, 2011 at 3:13 pm #493363BootstrapperMember
roddam63 post=308740 wrote: Bootstrapper – I think the series of disasters in Japan might prove to be the Black Swan event of which you speak.
Chernobyl didn’t cause civilisation to collapse, neither did Three Mile Island. Without diminishing the disaster unfolding at Fukushima, that incident alone isn’t going to wreck civilisation like an asteroid impact could. Fukushima may be the ‘last straw’ for the Nuclear industry, ‘though.
roddam63 post=308740 wrote: Meanwhile, my own efforts to secure a comfortable future centre around [as much as possible] creating a low energy lifestyle.
That’s the strategy I’m following as well. I live within walking-distance of work, public transport (train) and shopping so I could manage without a car. In the next decade or so, I think Sydney traffic may come to resemble the major cities in Southeast Asia – the majority of commuters will be riding scooters or small-capacity motorcycles.
roddam63 post=308740 wrote: Security is something that I ponder often… As a single parent it’s a challenge I need to confront.
Yes. Your exact circumstances will determine the kind of ‘security’ that best serves your needs. Remember to keep it legal.
roddam63 post=308740 wrote: I’m also working on managing as much as possible without inputs from government/privatised infrastructure [water/power/sewage, etc.]. That, too, is a work in progress.
In a slow decline, these things will become unaffordable, then unreliable and finally, unavailable. I plan to enjoy them while they’re affordable/available, but have alternatives worked out and rescources allocated to implement them, when the need arises.
roddam63 post=308740 wrote: I really believe that society in general has absolutely no clue that our current way of life is so fragile. They believe in ‘White Knight’ planning, that something or someone [government/corporate/technology] will come in and save the day.
I gave up on fairy tales a long time ago…
Agreed. I see this in the positive ‘spin’ the mainstream media puts on all the events being reported and in the (bordering on desperate) efforts that otherwise talented people are putting into ‘life-support’ for what is essentially a dying system. The most crucial fantasy that society needs to give up, is the idea that ‘business as usual’ can continue by ‘alternative’ means; There is no substitute for Oil, Coal and Natural Gas. No ‘alternative’ energy system, however successful in the lab, can be scaled up to replace any of the fossil fuels.April 3, 2011 at 3:27 pm #493364DanHowerMember
Bullseye post=308484 wrote:
In addition to that, using those production figures, as quoted by head of scientific research at NASA, he states, an area the size of the Sahara utilising, arid lands, halophytes and sea water, can supply the worlds oil needs.
while it is obviously OT in this thread thanks anyway for the link. Very interesting reading. I will try to find out if I can include something like that in my showcase low tech energy solutions. Not sure if the algae thing would be considered low tech.
You wouldn’t even have to go to the Sahara – Australia would be the perfect place as well.June 2, 2011 at 4:35 pm #493365SurvegalistMember
Well we just bought a 2nd hand Arga for $250 off a relo,pick up next month.Now all we have to do is get some stand alone alternative electricity up and running and the utility companies can go bite my ar$e.June 3, 2011 at 1:43 am #493366
if oil gets too expensive or “runs low” we will need to be very self sufficient as it is used everywhere.
an excellent case is Cuba which had an “artificial peak oil” and has come thru it …..look up the doco or YouTube. a must see!
recently i have been VERY confused with the conflicting information on this matter …….in a nutshell it is stated that the oil companies started the peak oil movement to raise prices : (……if so this is a crime against humanity 🙁
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lenJune 4, 2011 at 9:24 am #493368AnonymousGuest
ok try again:
in short thee may be nothing that can be realistically done to shield one’s self or family, i’ve heard of stockading and standing guard how one person can cover at least 4 fronts 24/7 i don’t know and how much resource do they need on site for a very long stand off, include having medical helpers not to mention medications and any help will need feeding, and some of those resources are going to volcanic volatile.
so ok we preserve oodles of stuff if you have to run how do you carry say 6 months supply of preserved food. and will those who want what you have not persue you once they break into your abode and grab what you left behind?
if you are supremely fit and only you with maybe a good dog and a bow and arrows other minimal stuff and find a place in the jungle and never show your face then you may survive.
the best bit is of course if this peak oil thing srikes then there will be no need for a carbon tax industry hey?
so maybe the gov’ should be procative and look ahead and say let P/O do its work for free, by then the masses of super poor created who won’t be able to buy food, accommodation, water, or power will be joined by lots of others, who think they are immune. and our 1.2% of 20% pollution will be gone and who will notice?
need some realisitic things to do, oldies with health issues can’t walk long distances or carry much weight, so does our society now just feed those people to wolves so they themselves can escape the mobs, who will come as soon as you open a tin of beans. are we truely now a society of individuals with individual beliefs and worships and never the twain shall meet. ready to not only turn on strangers but family as well.
the saying “united we stand – divided we fall”, and we certainly look divided.
i’d rather leave long before they come as i have no desire to feel a baseball bat on the back of my head.
lenJune 4, 2011 at 4:53 pm #493369
to be honest i have the same fears as you 🙁 i love to think we a better than that in Australia.
that said all it takes is a few to muck that up. also i have lost faith in both the leaders of this country and the world : (
i do believe we can prepare so take it one step at a time….as they say hope for the best and plan for the worst.
in the 1990’s Russian ppl starved/died by the millions due to their economic collapse but Cuba seemed to pull thru there ordeal well.
in the great depression the government ended up paying the farmers to shoot there cattle as this was seen to reduce supply and therefore prices would recover……..pure insanity!
if our government ensures ppl have food and shelter then this will save our society if not i hope they are the first to meet there maker.
I’m currently reading an ebook called …how to survive the end of the world as we know it…i will give a review after I’m finished.
lets hope Aussies rise to the challenge.
ew42June 4, 2011 at 6:26 pm #493370DennisMember
Agreed EW42, No government bodies can be trusted and even to prepare for one type of problem is bad enough. We should prepare for the worst case and if it does not happen good and well but if we do nothing it will sure as hell happen. I believe we are heading for a far worse problem than PO or CC could ever bring on us. All I can say is get ready get ready other wise you will be caught in your underwear in a barb wire canoe.
DennisJune 4, 2011 at 6:52 pm #493371AnonymousGuest
yes we can have hope, but also all hope may be lost the australian community is widely divided that will be our downfall. as much as i would like to have faith in our gov’ all of a sudden realising that we are more important than them that they are their because of us not inspite of us, the faith is not there.
but sadly i can’t see it with some recent decisions made they keep tripping over their tongues.
i don’t reckon they will keep us fed and housed with affordable power, water, food, petrol, housing. they seem to be proving that daily, a lack of grasp of what is already happening that can only get worse.
maybe there was little of the united community in russia what with all the spying the gov’ did on its people etc. maybe there was more unity in cuba and also a better climate for growing their own food. but either way there probably is little to gain in comparing those countries to ours, would cuba have introduced a new tax in the face of a financial crisis?
yep so like in the depression our gov’s still make insane decisions. the propety market is on the way to collapse, so aus’ is not in a stable climate right now with lower paid people pensioners already struggling with utility bills.
lenJune 4, 2011 at 7:29 pm #493372June 4, 2011 at 7:45 pm #493373JinjaMember
I’ve had it said to me that Cubans were able to do the ‘community’ thing and look after each other and do what they do because they had nothing in the first place.
You know what? I believe in human KIND. What am I doing to respond to peak oil? Built a well insulated house, have a large water tank, although we are on mains, have a worm farm black water system which is under our lawn, grow fruit and vegies, have some grid linked solar panels and a food store but I also hope and will continue to hope that we’re not going into an apocalypse, rather, things are just not going to be as easy. If your community and not just you, is prepared and you stay positive, I believe it doesn’t have to be guns and rottweilers patrolling your property….and if it comes to that…I don’t want to be here..when all your stuff is gone, whether you use it or it’s taken, it’s still gone…then what…we’re all in it together…so why not be that way from the start and go into life with eyes wide open. I might be naive but I don’t want the alternative.June 4, 2011 at 8:19 pm #493374AnonymousGuest
yes i said similar in another similar thread dealing with hype, 1st priority for the aus’ gov’ now is to start looking after their people and don’t stop until they get it right. forget all this other hype and do good stuff, public health might as well shut down for all the good it is. but as we are so divided those who feel the power have no compassion about that matter of fact not hypothesis or speculation.
so as we are so diversified under this multi culturalism and we have to tollerate lots of stuff under the political correctness tag, when it starts to look bad our best plan is to walk away and leave the key in the door, because they will raid gardens, fruit trees, water tanks and pantries, a hungry belly is a very strong motivational force.
at least the muslims have a belief system and they are a community, we don’t and aren’t. just look in some of these similar threads here and other forums, the haves and have nots,and those who believe they have could careless about those down the bottom.
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