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January 8, 2012 at 12:07 pm #256414
yep i know it may cross council bi-laws, but maybe not? then what should come first a meaningless bi-law or humans?
around where we live you don’t drive far we have one over teh road, at all before you are passing vacant sheds well built some look like they would suit habitation eg.,. curtains, sliding door etc.,. some even have caravans as well all going to waste.
lots of vacant houses as well, some rentals (asking too much for what is on offer) these places sit there a house for sale might sit there for 2 years or more, a rental from months to a year, then the tenants have less rights than dogs. places for sale way over priced for the area, ok it costs a certain amount to build a home, then add the cost of land, but that math is too simple for selling property, they won’t get anymore than what the market dictates and the locality demands.
but in the mean time there are families out there sleeping in tents and cars, seems out of kilter hey?
also noted this morning a block near us has a private 4 sale sign on it, be around 1.25 acres of some of the better land in this area, not full of rocks and with red clay under red loam and brown loam. land also sits there unsold for we’d suggest longer than 2 years. land and houses that don’t sell within reasonable time frame must be like the ancient mariner with the albatross around his neck.
anyhow pity the accommodation can’t be used for humans purposes. i would not consider these modern sheds as second rate accommodation, the only difference between them and a slab home is that the home slab is 1A classified. don’t seen any sheds with slabs failing.
lenJanuary 8, 2012 at 12:17 pm #518333
I’ve often had this discussion with clients who want to live in a shed whilst building their home, or just want to live in a shed.
The 1A classification is there for a very good reason – its to save lives. Sheds are generally Class 10 structures, ie are not constructed to be fireproof, or structurally as competent as a dwelling. Councils are understanably very leery to issue final construction certificates on buildings which do not comply with 1A classification for habitable uses.
I guess its what the eye doesn’t see, the Council doesn’t need to know about, but my advice to anyone that values their life, or their childrens’ lives, is to make sure that the shed complies with 1A specs prior to purchase or habitation, just for their own peace of mind, Council aside.
CheersJanuary 8, 2012 at 12:37 pm #518334
mmm dunno sprite,
my understanding from speaking to others and ours as well we are having constructed a 6X9 shed with 3 meter full length lean to, the construction of the now house classification is exactly as the same shed it once was, the difference is only in the slab classification and construction. we are getting a 6X6 shed built as well which will show same construction on very much different slabs engineering. that was easily seen pre- the cement being poured.
now with your other concern, i can’t really equate a steel shed to causing loss of life?? there are people here who are living in sheds with the approval of earlier more common sense council. and all sheds around here have been through various weather events and just like all houses remain undamaged. so all sheds look in showroom condition.
now i can empathise with what you said, but we need a shade of reality and a dose of common sense or we play into council hands, and they sit on their hands. this council as evolved to the level where they now won’t let people build a shed on their land until the house is built.
now i for one find that dictatorial and un-australian.
these families living in cars and tents then are doomed to their fate, which those conditions must surely have more inherent danger.
sheds are no less fireproof than homes, be no good having a so called fireproof home and beside it a non-fire proofed shed surely? i’d back a shed being more fire resistant than these wooden framed homes hey build.
lenJanuary 8, 2012 at 1:23 pm #518335
Fair enough Len, I do understand where you are coming from but as a person who has to advise on these matters every day, I feel its important to mention that the BCA, which is a national standard, was created for a very good reason, and that is to protect homeowners from loss of life or injury, not just from fire, but also other factors such as structural integrity and wind loading.
CheersJanuary 8, 2012 at 1:30 pm #518336
i understand what you are saying but and it’s a big BUT, where are all these fallen over and collapsed sheds, if we have hard case evidence of sufficient amount compared to sheds built then yes we nee to look at it but if it is knee jerk policy then it is about aussies got together for humanity sake and had those non-common sense rules quashed.
i iterate our home construction will be the same frame as the shed design that spawned it.
wonder again at building cyclone proof homes beside sheds that you say are not cyclone proof, means all the houses will be standing and the sheds will blow down around the neighbourhood.
anyhow this is not paving the way for families and other to have suitable shelter.
let’s support fact.
lenJanuary 8, 2012 at 1:43 pm #518337
I think my 80yr old wood home would burn down much much faster than a metal shed??
we have loads of people living in sheds around here. even in some areas considered more upmarket.
what is it about a shed that makes it so different to a house?? (that makes it dangerous)January 8, 2012 at 1:48 pm #518338
Just a quick comment:
To some extent, State government realises how critical the housing shortage is becoming. I did notice a few years back the gazetting of legislation relating to dual occupancy on residential blocks, which was implemented to assist people downsizing or helping out their families. Link is here:
This only relates to residential zoned land, there is still some way to go with rural-residential and rural, but many Councils now have provisions in their LEPs to permit what is termed “seniors living”. I know that for some, the concept of building a granny flat on their existing property and then renting out their original home is a good retirement income source without having to sacrifice a standard of living, or leave the area that you are happy in. Of course, it also depends on having good tenants!
CheersJanuary 8, 2012 at 1:53 pm #518339
still doesn’t help the shortage that is occurring right here and now.
i doubt up here the shire would let you build 2 1A habitable structures on your land?
dual occupancy may have merit within family groups, but not sure, i heard of it a long time ago and nothing of it since, maybe it was a vote puller.
are you able to provide any hard evidence of sheds collapsing onto people or causing death in some even serious injury??
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