February 18, 2011 at 8:09 pm #254494
Has anyone seen the “Pathway to Freedom” blog site? It is about a family on a 1/5th acre block in Pasadena California who have made and urban homestead raising veges, chickens, ducks and goats on their suburban property.
They have two goats – one pygmy goat and a nigerian pygmy goat – in a very small area which (I assume) they buy in food for and take them on weekly walks to browse.
I would love to have a goat or two for milk. Can anyone tell me if this is a humane way to treat goats? Would Australian miniature goats cope with this sort of treatment? There is one breeder who crosses miniature goats with a milking strain to get a “Mini milker”.
I suspect that it wouldn’t work….. but we all can dream can’t we?February 18, 2011 at 8:35 pm #491144
Have you seen the Path to Freedom furore thread? Despite all their good work, seems they’ve wrecked it all with a few poorly placed trademark issues.
What they started out doing was great, but now… not so,February 18, 2011 at 8:38 pm #491145
No – where is that (ALS?) SonyaFebruary 18, 2011 at 8:41 pm #491146
IMO pygmy hoats are no good for milking – small teats are very difficult to milk and the goats would not produce enough to be worth the bother
However for the small differenece in size why not have “proper” dairy goat ?
Years ago I had a friend who lived on a 1/4 acre block and kept her British Alpines in a yard in the backyard. From memory she had about 6 ! She took them for walks every day all lose following her along the roadside !!!
You could have a proper milker and maybe a mini whether to keep her company ………..
Goats are very sociable and love to live close to their humans……. while they do need exercise adult does prefer to lie arround all day and wait for the humans to feed them
AnneFebruary 18, 2011 at 8:43 pm #491147
getting back to goats it really would depend on how u managed it.
i have quite a larde backyard ( 850 sqare mtr block)and could easily accomodate a couple of small pygmy goats, if u r feeding them and walking them (like you would dogs) then dont see the problem.February 18, 2011 at 8:56 pm #491148
Found it Sonya. Thanks Ggang…. My understanding was that there was no real pygmies in Australia… just miniatures. With the size, I was thinking economy in feeding and less exercise space. Do you know how big a pen your friend had? I don’t want to wipe out the vege garden to house the goats!February 18, 2011 at 9:11 pm #491149
Have just spent 30 minutes chasing my 4 escapee goats around the place and missing Gardening Australia in the process -would you like mine??????????February 18, 2011 at 11:32 pm #491150
:laugh: Weaver, its on again tomorrow, or you can watch it online like I usually have to, so all is not lost.February 19, 2011 at 9:38 am #491151
Watching this thread with interest – DH and I have always wanted goats. We have 825m2 in the middle of suburbia. We already have 2 x ducks & 7 x chickens. I wonder if we could fit in a goat or 2? I don’t think the neighbours & council would be too impressed tho!!February 20, 2011 at 5:03 pm #491152
If you wanted to get goats the first thing would be to check with your council, we have two minatures that my daughter plans to breed for show purposes and will try to milk also but we will see how that goes. We had to apply with council to get permission to keep goats, and had to virtually plan ahead and get permission now for the maximum amount we could keep etc etc. We are in a rural area so it may be different from suburbia. Also if you can get hold of Natural Goat Care by Pat Coleby at a library or something it is very informative and covers everything you would need to know.
We’ve learned a lot, for example did you know that dark coloured goats are not able to eat some things that white goats can eat and vice versa 🙂 We have a black boy and his twin sister who is white!! :0. Anyway there are a lot of weeds that I pull out and ornamentals in the garden that they shouldn’t have but there are also a lot of things you can grow for fodder for them, I’m madly collecting seeds and planning to surround their pen with fodder bushes and plants.
I reckon it could be done on a small plot but I don’t think you will get council permission. Our two came from a herd of @80 and when they got here they cried out for their family for weeks and it broke my heart and drove me nuts at the same time.
These two were also hand raised as their mother died while kidding so they are starved for attention and call out for a while whenever we leave them so there are many things to consider and look into if you are seriously considering getting goats. We have friends who have one milker who is used to being on her own and hardly makes noise – except when it is close to milking time!!
I’ll try and post some pictures of our two for you. Their yard is decently sized but they don’t really leave it much unless we put them on the leash to graze other area’s of our acre.
VickyFebruary 20, 2011 at 5:30 pm #491153
not sure who spun you the furphy on different coloured goats not being able to eat the same things :unsure: – after all once you take the skin off they are all the same underneath – the only difference that i have noticed between the goats and I keep Saanens, Toggies, Anglos, Boar and have even had the odd BA (don’t particularly like the BA but that’s a personal issue that i’m working my way through:laugh: ) is that the coloured goats tend to hit the copper and cobalt salt lick a little harder than the saannens.
given half a chance they’ll all strip the shrubs and trees bare and if something will poisen one goat it will poisen the lot ( that is if the first goat is willing to share:evil: )
it would depend on your council most suburban councils will not allow “livestock” it has been common practise to keep dairy goats in the burbs in England (and on disused blocks) where the goats get fodder and walked and get kept in sheds for the rest of the time ( check out the British dairy goat society page for all the info) and all of our Australian milking breeds originate through England (now vastly improved through rigorous breeding)- with the odd bit of blood from NZ and Sweden/Norway.
RoogzFebruary 21, 2011 at 5:40 pm #491154
Thanks roogz and fruitful.
The keeping goats in sheds in England is something I didn’t think of. Definitely worth considering goats then. I was planning on asking council on provisions (anonymously) and the probably ignoring them and consulting the neighbours. The neighbours are generally friendly and can be won over easily by a share of produce 😉 Actually I’ve converted the people over the street and on one side to chickens. If prices go up more, I’ll probably manage to convert them to goats as well :laugh:February 21, 2011 at 11:55 pm #491155
although Saanens are large – in England they seem to be the prefered breed for small lot production- I have by far found them to be the most laid back in terms or temprement- noise and easy to confine. thry produce a large volume of milk however it is lower in fat –
a friend who lives in Bannockburn has kept a Toggy and a BA on a 2 acre block in the middle of what is now a country suburb. these are shedded most of the time with a small outer run – She loves her goats and they seems to do well enough under this type of arrangement.
I also work on the principle of what the council dosen’t know won’t hurt them – but my nearest neighbour is 500mtrs away – and the second closest over a km away – so my set up is a little different:laugh:
RoogzFebruary 24, 2011 at 9:29 pm #491156
Well, I went to one of my neighbours yesterday (with a carton of eggs) to apologise for the roosters we have crowing and she said she loved the roosters and not to get rid of them (want to get rid of them still tho). Anyway, I mentioned goats and she loves the idea (not enough to get them for herself), so that is one won over.
The other side of us is pretty friendly and has got chickens after seeing our chickens for the last three years so he will be no problem. The people at the back are the only people who might complain, and I doubt that.
Now to finish all the projects that I have started before I start this one…… (my husband wants me to finish setting up the aquaponics and a few other projects before starting a new one :huh: )March 13, 2011 at 7:46 pm #491157
Hi ggang I have a friend in Perth whose looking British Alphine Goats I was told to get in touch with you
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