November 29, 2011 at 3:19 pm #504095
Gallstones don’t show up on x-rays I know I had one done. That’s how I was miss diagnosed. You need to have an ultrasound done.
I have to say I still do get some pain now and then but nothing like it was.December 1, 2011 at 2:41 pm #504096
Thanks everyone for your thoughts and good wishes :hug: I got home late yesterday, the op went well with no complications but it was quite a bit more ‘major’ than I expected. Took about 2 hours.
I am still in a bit of pain from the incisions (4) and the drain site (which was horrendous coming out :jawdrop: ) and also hurts when I breathe in deeply etc, but coping ok and although the nurses were lovely in hospital I’m much happier to be home. I have some strong pain tablets and still have to wear the medical leg stockings until next week as I’m not very mobile yet, but trying to do little walks in the house every so often to keep things moving.
My husband is off work until Monday so is doing everything and helping me with heat packs and tablets etc . maybe I expected too much but i thought I’d be up and about better than this after 2 days. Obviously it is abdominal surgery and pretty invasive so I guess I’ll just have to take it easier than I thought. :pinch:December 1, 2011 at 4:48 pm #504097
Glad you are fine :hug: do as your body tells you and not too much bending and you will get over it faster. :hug: :hug:December 1, 2011 at 9:30 pm #504098
Good to hear the op went well MM…it’ll take a few weeks to get over it.
Doc said my scan didn’t show up any stones but she thinks I probably passed it on the last attack. :blink: .she’s not really concerned about the cyst on the liver but I have a “fatty liver” now which can cause problems so I need to work on my diet and exercise so I can lose some fat on the outside..and the inside :laugh:January 7, 2012 at 1:06 pm #504099
Am rather late to this thread, haven’t read all replies but thought to contribute. Had my gallbladder out about 10 years ago. Things I have learned:
-After a woman has children her metabolism changes, and her liver has to work harder to keep the three main digestive enzymes in soluble balance. If she is unkind to her liver (fatty foods, alcohol, dehydration), these will precipitate out into gallstones.
-If you don’t radically change your lifestyle and diet after surgical removal you will still suffer “gravel” attacks, which might last an hour or a week. It is a symptom that all is not well with your liver. This is very dangerous and can contribute to bile duct disease.
-I found the liver cleansing diet very helpful in reducing attacks, and also drinking a lot more water.
CheersJanuary 7, 2012 at 10:27 pm #504100
Hi Sprite :wave: always good to have more contributions and experiences.
Can you tell me what you mean by ‘gravel attacks’ ?? From what I have been told and experienced over the past 5 weeks the only way this can happen is if the surgeon did NOT remove all the stones during surgery. Not sure if it is routine but mine included a dye test to check for stones anywhere outside the gallbladder before they stithced me up. Gallstones cannot form again without a gallbladder, so what causes the pain that you mentioned? :shrug: Have you had an ultrasound while you had the attack?
I was not told I would have to change my diet or lifestyle at all (though it was fine anyway) which surprised me because I would have thought missing an organ would have affected the overall function somehow — and in fact it did……. :dry:
My liver freaked out majorly after surgery, it was not coping well at all and my liver enzymes were through the roof. They have only just this week started coming down to anywhere near acceptable levels, having had bloods done up to 3 times a week to check what was going on. (Bear in mind I am not overweight by more than 2-3 kilos and I do not drink alcohol at all)
This was found out when I had to go back into emergency with severe abdominal pain 2 weeks after surgery. They found no infection, no ‘stray’ stones, nothing to explain it. I had it for most of a day then it went.
So I am interested in your ‘gravel attack’ pain Sprite – I wonder what is causing it as I was told the only cause of pain would be infection or a stone left in the duct to the liver.
Mind you, I was also told I would be up and about after a few days, and it actually took a good week before I could walk around without pain, and almost 6 weeks now for my liver to recover. :pinch:
Interesting about metabolism changing after having children- mine certainly has, I wonder how much that contributed. No-one tells you all these things eh??January 7, 2012 at 10:45 pm #504101
I had them when pregnant with my first child 14 years ago now, very painful and I suffered the entire way through the pregnancy! Then after I had his I had this experiance where I passed all the stones, it was bizarre TMI but I had oily BM’s for a day, it was like I had gastro but was passing pure oil and I could see the stones and I had no trouble since until I was pregnant with my last child 6 years later I had an attack I immediately went and did self Reflexology and the pain went immediately, then got it checked out and they said I had sludge but no real issue and so far no pain since.January 8, 2012 at 12:48 am #504102
I was told I didn’t fit the profile for gallstones. I was told the 4 Fs, Fair, Female, Fat and Forty.
I was told it was odd as I only fit two, female and fair.
I wasn’t told having children had anything to do with it, I had gallstones before I was 15 and I have never been pregnant.
I was told by the doctor that I could still have pain that felt like I was passing gallstones but I wouldn’t be it would just be something like phantom pain. It had happened but the pain isn’t anywhere as bad and no where as long 5 minutes to an hours tops. I can’t say it’s fatty foods that do it as one day al I had had to eat was a banana and 2 nectarines.January 8, 2012 at 1:43 am #504103
Iduna post=331234 wrote: Gallstones don’t show up on x-rays I know I had one done. That’s how I was miss diagnosed. You need to have an ultrasound done.
I have to say I still do get some pain now and then but nothing like it was.
We didn’t have ultrasound back in 1972 so luckily my gallstones were picked up with an x-ray. Once I had my gall bladder removed, no problems any more.
The liver has a bile duct which goes to the small bowel and this enlarges slightly after the gallbladder is removed and takes over the bile storage function. Some care may need to be taken to avoid excessively fatty foods if they upset you.January 8, 2012 at 10:19 am #504104
Hi again everyone
Regarding gravel attacks, and “profiling”
Every person’s liver reacts differently to stressors. Some people have a predisposition to a fatty liver because of lifestyle, or if their genetic makeup indicates liver problems in their family tree. So it actually doesn’t matter whether you are 15 or 50, pregnant or never pregnant, male or female, there are extenuating factors which may alter your “profile”.
In my case, I thought I had a stomach ulcer, and had a friend, a gastroenterologist, do a check on my stomach. He couldn’t find anything, but said whilst down there he’d had a good look “up your bile duct” but results were inconclusive. I didn’t fit the “profile” except for having children, and he took this into account.
Unfortunately 2 hours after discharge I had another attack and had a set of scans ordered by local GP at the local radiology centre, which showed sludge. I collapsed whilst there and was taken to another hospital for an emergency cholycystectomy. The doctor at the second hospital (coincidentally another family friend) was scathing of the CAT scans done by the centre as all they had shown was “sludge”. When he ordered new scans, they showed 20 odd gallstones, some the size of a 5c piece. they are still in a jar somewhere….
My liver still does not function properly (it was damaged in early childhood) and consequently on occasions the enzymes secreted are out of balance, forming “gravel” in my bile duct. This is very painful but they are usually dissolved or passed within a few days as long as I cut out all fatty foods and dairy, no alcohol, no chocolate, caffeine or tomatoes, as these trigger major episodes, and drink 5 litres of water or more per day.
My advice, for what its worth, is to treat yourself kindly, and remember that now you have no gallbladder, there is no “drip” mechanism feeding into your stomach. This means that your liver has to work much harder in order to metabolise fat and alcohol. Its sort of like having a child with asthma, you know that most of the time they will be fine, but there is always the risk of an attack, so you modify your families’ lifestyle accordingly.
and above all….drink lots of water!!
CheersJanuary 8, 2012 at 10:26 am #504105
Regarding your attacks after eating bananas/nectarines, another thing which doctors often neglect to tell their cholycystectomy patients is that they must eat small meals regularly. Starving yourself half the day and then eating food is akin to starting up your car on a cold winters morning and expecting it to run well as soon as you leave the house. Your liver needs to be “warmed up” in its digestive processes and fed food in regular small amounts during the day in order for it to function properly post-op. I often get attacks if I forget to eat. Hubby understands if I suddenly stop somewhere when out and about and say “I have to eat/drink”, even if its at a ridiculous time or place, because otherwise an attack will be in the offing.
CheersJanuary 8, 2012 at 10:45 am #504106
Thanks everyone for contributing on this subject. I have forwarded this thread onto two of my friends who have suffered with gall stones recently. Hopefully they join up, and can share as well.January 8, 2012 at 12:00 pm #504107
Iduna post=335229 wrote: I was told I didn’t fit the profile for gallstones. I was told the 4 Fs, Fair, Female, Fat and Forty.
Lol, Ive not heard that profile before, at the time I got them I was 28, very, very fit, not fat at all didn’t eat much fat and I am olive skinned and have dark brunette hair.
I know heap of people get them noticed when pregnant possibly because everything ends up shoved against your tummy :blink: However I did notice everything got worse if I did eat some fat at the time I had them. So it must make things worse I guess.January 8, 2012 at 12:37 pm #504108
:laugh: That was the first thing that the doctor said to me “Well, you’re not fair, fat and forty”. :laugh:January 8, 2012 at 1:33 pm #504109
What I meant was they shouldn’t profile people, I was misdiagnosed because of it.
With the fruit thing it wasn’t all I had to eat that day, it was what I had for breakfast, I had the gallstone feeling after that.
I don’t drink much because for years even half a drink once or twice a year would what I called give me colic, I don ‘t eat fatty foods as even as a child they made me sick, I also have to watch my cholesterol as I have a bad family history of it. I haven’t been able to drink coffee in years it makes me vomit and dairy is the skim milk I have in my cup of tea.
I had gallstones as it turned out because my gallbladder didn’t empty like it was meant to so it would concentrate and turn into stones., a defective gallbladder. It wasn’t because I had a bad diet. I think sometimes doctors need to think a little out side of the single lane and not stick to the profile.
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