July 22, 2010 at 10:57 am #471737mistyhollowsMember
Hi there porgey, below is the link to who said the gov is borrowing 1 mill a day, it’s in the 3rd last paragraph:July 22, 2010 at 12:08 pm #471738BangersMember
Seems like there is a lot of disatisfaction with the current system. Wonder if this would work:
An independant board are voted (individually by the public). They can not be affiliated with any other political party or earn income from any other source.
Each party submits there policy on various issues to the board for approval. The details are made available to the public before approval.
The public can submit feedback to the board.
The board can then then select which policy it thinks is best and implement that policy.
Or am I completely missing the mark…:geek::geek::geek:
PaulJuly 22, 2010 at 12:15 pm #471739BangersMember
Forgot to add – the public elects the successful party based on boards recommendations and/or policies that are chosen to be implemented…:shrug:July 22, 2010 at 7:51 pm #471740PeterMember
Thanks Misty H, so it’s a claim by Abbott,still can’t find substantive proof that this figure is real and as I posted previously the R B A has said that Aust does not debt problem……as the R B A is independent I’m more likely to accept that assertion…..We all know politicians often pluck figures out off the Sky to suit their purpose.
Porgey: the Liberal party is after all also a conservative party and Abbott has clearly stated that ” Climate Change Science is Crap”.
NO I will not ask my Local Member….thats not good enough or independent enough…after all the local member does have an axe to grind no matter their political persuasion…….All I can say is that posting something that may be unfounded and without the evidence to support the claims bring made, has not only the possibility of detracting from your credibility……It’s down right Dishonest.
Sure there was disasters with with the insulation fiasco…but I think it was more to do with the size and speed with which it was set up. You speak of the Tasmania woodchips….Remember Howard used that issue to be re-elected.
As for Ironbar…another climate skeptic, a open racist and a Minister who misused his position in trying to have the law applied diferently to his “Son” than it is applied to other Australians…. do we really want this type of person in Parliment??? No matter how much he sticks to his guns…..And why do the Press seek out Barnaby ? perhaps they know he can’t count and often makes a gaff….Is this the “High” quality we deserve??July 22, 2010 at 8:24 pm #471741sallyaMember
Im enjoying reading this thread, it shows passion and basically we can’t all be pleased unfortunately :noapprove:
I am not a fan of either, I mean why can’t we get the basics right our Justice system and health systems are jokes and we get no ‘answers’ from any party. If they all just bloody work together and stop attacking each other they might just earn our interest.
I am interested in politics and how our country is run, but it will only ever be a game of ping pong unless they shake up and get some balls. I don’t want to hear things they think I want to hear, Pauline Hanson love her or hate her had balls!
oh I could go on, but enough about balls my time is up 😀July 23, 2010 at 6:13 am #471742
Peter, when I get home I will dig out the info and let you all know about the $100M a day claim. The RBA is independent but not necessarily always right. We dont have debt problems compared to other countries but we are still in huge debt. Our lower level of debt is hinged on two important factors, no government debt & money in the bank at the time of the last election, and Chinas huge demand for our raw minerals. The Rudd government wasted a huge amount of that money and what happens when Europe, the USA and various parts of Asia stop buying Chinese goods? China stops buying from us, mineral prices & sales fall through the floor, our borrowings will have to increase further and our debt, unemployment & probably inflation will go up. Our lack of sovereign control is lessening all the time due to both sides of politics but made worse in times of labor governments.
The liberal party claims to be conservative but I challenge that notion and there definition. Abbott is a policy meandering fool to claim that climate change science is crap.
The $100M a day assertion is not unfounded and as mentioned I will dig out the info hopefully restoring my credibility and honesty. However, in the meantime ponder the following. Crean jumped all over Abbott about his $700m over 4 years black hole created by the liberals latest education policy. If my $100M a day claim is incorrect then the whole labor machine including the unions would be dancing the greatest political jig on Abbott’s political grave between now and the election. That $700M black hole may exist, I dont know as I am not a liberal, but it is $145,300,000,000 less than labors current fiscal fiasco not including the mind boggling interest and other associated costs over four years.
Rudd’s insulation policy was a great idea. Stimulate local jobs, reduce greenhouse gas emissions & utility bills. I was a huge fan of this and applauded this initiative. However, Rudd ignored warnings that its implementation would fail by the existing insulation industry and wide open to rorting as stated by a leading accounting firm (whos name I can recall but will try and find it-Deloittes, KPMG, Anderson’s?). My favourite unionist, Greg Combet MP (the Waterside Wonder) is now in charge of fixing the problem but it has left an ongoing financial black hole for many. In addition its Australian Made content provision was Zero instead of 100% for materials used so we now how millions of crap Chinese made insulation batts floating around crawl spaces, clogging up warehouses and going to land fill. The Tassie wood chip issue is similar and is also exploited by opportunistic pollies to our detriment.
Sallya, I am passionate about Australia but we are squandering the Best Country on Earth by allowing our pollies off the hook. I disagreed with many of Pauline Hansons views but will always support her guts to challenge the party hacks.
Bangers I like your ideas. My thought about Australian governments is get rid of state governments all together as the duplication & waste is appalling. This would leave one Federal government and a group of independent elected councils within the existing state boundaries. Locals would democratically elect say 7 full time councillors and those 7 councillors would then nominate one of there fellow councillors to represent that council electorate in the House of Reps for the full term of the fixed 4 year period of federal government. Legislation that goes before federal parliament would be debated by each of the 7 councillors in there local chambers, voted on in a secret ballot and when Federal parliament sits the nominated councillor has to vote according to the outcome of his elected council seat. This would bring federal politics back to the electorate where it belongs and allow much more community input. This grass roots style of government would give locals more voice, reduce the influence of the party machines and do away with the Senate as there have already been two active votes.July 23, 2010 at 6:25 am #471743grumpy3Member
I would not give two cents for any party or there members because they are so full of sh-t that it dribbles all down there face. Must be why I don’t vote the idiots. :uhoh:
DennisJuly 23, 2010 at 8:46 am #471744
Peter, I was wrong. Labor is borrowing more than more than $100,000,000 per day every day.
In the Federal Budget 2010-1011 Financial Statement, Appendix A, Table A1, the fiscal balance is -$38,955,000,000. ($39 Billion). That means the labor government has to borrow more than $100,000,000 per day every day to prop up there spending (more like cantilever there spending because that sort of borrowing is right out there). Interest expenses are $10,871,000,000 for the financial year ending june 2011.
Thats a disgrace.
The government must be held accountable for this reckless amateur stupidity. Its worse than the Whitlam governments debt with no positive legacy Looking Forward. Cheers porgey.July 23, 2010 at 9:00 am #471745
Considering they were in surplus when they took over, its a massive blowout.
Not looking forward to this election, there is simply nothing in the piggy bank for them to give away, best they can do is shuffle cuts to pay for some small changes.July 23, 2010 at 10:29 am #471746
Greth, its wicked. Imagine all the good that could be done with $10,000,000,000 dollars. We could help set up renewable energy power stations, assist business’ develop and export all sorts of solar panels, subsidise the retirement / retraining of Tasmanian forestry workers so they dont have to cut down our heritage, phase out highly polluting coal power stations, open up more national parks, develop a sustainable organic food industry, convert diesel buses to gas / electric hybrids, start upgrading rail infrastructure to get trucks off the roads, help small community groups be self sufficient, start up “Rethink, Reuse, Resell, Recycle” centers at all municipal tips, install water tanks & LED lighting in every Australian house & business, assist Indigenous culture to preserve there languages & customs, withdraw from free trade agreements that are sucking the goodness out of Oz, etc etc etc.
Instead we are paying the Chinese obscene amounts of interest and importing more crap. It makes me :@.July 23, 2010 at 11:36 am #471747
Rudd gave it away in his stimulus packages, they made him hugely popular for a little while.
Yes we did well out of that with 3 kids, but honestly I would rather have had less of a payout and to know that there was still money in the big piggy bank for disasters, development, and carefully planned improvements to infrastructure.
I dont blame the Chinese for much, BHP was charging them huge prices for steel, so they decided to build more of their own and buy out our steel industry. Writing was on the wall when BHP got greedy.July 23, 2010 at 12:06 pm #471748
The Rudd cash bonuses were partly a good idea as they temporarily increased spending thus maintaining economic momentum and saving jobs. The problem with that spending was it was badly targeted with lots going to buying imported products that increased money flow off shore making our current account deficit worse. There was no Australian made & owned content provisions. I am glad your family was helped but what did you buy with it and where did the money end up?
BHP is greedy.July 23, 2010 at 12:42 pm #471749
We bought a new rainwater tank, and eased ourselves out of some debt, porgey. We actually made an effort to spend the rest on local products and not the stupidmarkets. Made enough difference so that I could buy more expensive local products, more ethically produced than getting the supercheap imported version. And by relieving our debts it has freed up more money permanently. Im sure a lot of families didn’t stop to think a moment about where they could make the money flow, but I did.
As I see it, Libs are the sensible mum, work hard, save pennies, don’t spend on frivolities and one day you will be comfortable.
The Labor mum lets you buy junk food, run up ya credit card, there will always be another day or someone else to pay for it.
I don’t really know what a Green mum is like, except that you should eat your veggies
Lots of people like the Labor mum, but I don’t think she is giving you the best example in the long term, tho way more fun in the short term.
I go with Lib, and unashamed of that.July 23, 2010 at 11:22 pm #471750
Greth, sounds as though you spent your stimulus money really well benefitting you & family and the local community. Thats how I think it should of been spent.
What we need is an earth Mum, who encourages the kids to play & learn outside, grow fruit & veggies, care for the local environment, save the pennies she doesn’t have to spend on over packaged, over priced, over hyped, food from afar, gets together with others in the community for a good old chin wag, helps those in need, is self sufficient and has lots of time for family & friends. Sounds like lots of country Mums I know.July 24, 2010 at 12:09 am #471751dixiebelleMember
What we need is an earth Mum, who encourages the kids to play & learn outside, grow fruit & veggies, care for the local environment, save the pennies she doesn’t have to spend on over packaged, over priced, over hyped, food from afar, gets together with others in the community for a good old chin wag, helps those in need, is self sufficient and has lots of time for family & friends. Sounds like lots of country Mums I know.
I would vote for that!
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