November 1, 2012 at 5:55 pm #517611
you got me flabbergasted, what sort of medico is he?
go to chemist if they are agent for ‘NDS’ national diabetese scheme, you may need to get your doc or a doc to sign it. we get insulin needles free, and pay small amount for strips and stabber pins.
do you have a public hospital? our then doc’ reffered me to the qld health health run public diabtese centre.
have to read your post again try and grasp it properly.
keep monitoring especially the fasting one, get the milk thistle going don’t drop much beloe 4.5 if you start to then you need to think about reducing metformin i think you said you where on, you can go see doctor and tell him first but sounds he won’t want to know.
never stop any medications instantly ween off them over week to 2 week periods go slow is better in most cases but if you sugar levels are falling then you just need to trim tab’s even if it is only a 1/2 a tab at a time. you need to not go hypo, keep jelly beans if you do if so take reading each 15 min’s if no change get to hosp’ or ambo’.
did you try no carb’s/bread/grains yet?
does your monitor give you a reading if so why do you have to download anything.
lenNovember 1, 2012 at 6:14 pm #517612
I’m in a Catch 22 he wouldn’t sign the NDSS registration form. He wouldn’t give me a script for the test strips. He just doesn’t believe in self-monitoring at all. It’s a bit rich, I just read the original letter I got “offering me the opportunity to attend” – it stresses “the importance of regular blood glucose testing” and it is on the Medical Centre’s own letterhead. I’m looking around for another doctor even though it will mean traveling to another town. I started the milk thistle yesterday (and the bitter melon). But I see that every Diabetes Assoc seems to stress the importance of monitoring.November 1, 2012 at 6:33 pm #517613
You poor thing, you come across some real dingles in the medical field. I’ve had T1 diabetes for 23 years, and my experience with doctors overall hasn’t been too bad, but you meet the odd one who does everything to demonstrate how little they actually know.
Granted, you probably had information the doctor didn’t actually know about, but he didn’t exactly point you in the right direction. It took me a decade to figure out, I didn’t need a GP or an Endocronologist to help me manage my diabetes. They were downright confusing. What I needed was a Diabetes Specialist. These are the people who know where to point you in the right direction. They also have the lastest information about what schemes/technologies/medications and social groups available to you.
Now you may not have one in your area, but you have the internet, so don’t be afraid to do some research as to what is available. I want to point you towards a website that is specifically designed to do just that – help Australian with Diabetes, it’s called Diabetes Australia.
Now the NDSS or National Diabetes Services Scheme is something you need to register for in order to receive a discount on some of your medical supplies, and as I understand it, anyone who has been diagnosed with diabetes can apply. There is more information here. Perhaps this was in some of the paperwork which you took to the doctor to sign, which he couldn’t interpret? Maybe not.
Here are some other helpful links:
Australian Diabetes Edcuators Association
. But the advice they have given me, has mostly turned out to be wrong. All because they only get to see me once in a while, for a very limited period and what they know about my disease, is generally what they read from their medical journals.
The reason I say this to you is, stop, breathe and remember what they offer is a very helpful service (especially if you’ve been newly diagnosed) but what they offer, isn’t entirely without error. So take the first step of reading about your disease, or join a discussion forum, such as this one.November 1, 2012 at 7:18 pm #517614
Whether the doctor agrees with self-monitoring or not is irrelevant, when it’s YOUR treatment plan. You are allowed to elect to self-monitor. If he won’t sign your NDSS registration form, then go back to the Medical Centre to ask for a doctor that will. They will have access to your files and you need only give them permission for the new doctor to see it. You mentioned seeing another doctor previously, so I’m assuming there’s more than one at the Medical Centre. Ask specifically for a doctor that will sign your NDSS form.
Once you actually get the forms signed and sent off, the NDSS will issue you with a card. This card has a number specific to your registration, which you then use to order testing strips through Diabetes Australia, or one of the various Agents which normally operates out of a local pharmacy.
The Diabetes Australia “Queensland” link seems to be broken on the Diabetes Australia Website. But you can find the one for Qld here. They’re working on upgrading their website at the moment, so you may have to call your order through, but it’s only the cost of a local call.
Perhaps contact Diabetes Australia through their “contact us” page, and ask if they know what you can do when your doctor refuses to sign your NDSS form? Don’t worry, there are whole organisation designed to represent your rights as a person with diabetes.
I can only shake my head at a doctor that won’t allow a patient legitimate choice. :shrug:
In my 23 years experience as having T1 Diabetes, I’ve always had more success with a Diabetes Educator, over a GP. Many have the qualifications to sign all these forms for you anyway. But of course, a GP is your entry point for establishing the diagnosis. :S
If you’re wondering what to do, contact Diabetes Australia. And you don’t have to sign up for membership to Diabetes Australia (its optional) but you do receive some discounts and quarterly publications of their magazines if you do. The Diabetes Australia products are where you receive the discounts, the NDSS products however, are set at the rate the government subsidies.
I hope that wasn’t too confusing? I know it took me a while to realise the difference. The important stuff like test strips and needles are NDSS products, but the actual glucose meters or lancets (to prick your finger with) are Diabetes Australia products.
Good luck, and it does get better. :tup:November 1, 2012 at 7:37 pm #517615
Our town had 2 doctors’ surgeries, my doctor closed his and moved away so I had to go to the other centre. There are 2 doctors in that one, my ‘new doctor’ is relatively new to that centre and I guess he is new to practice anyway.
I got the impression that the two doctors are not on good terms (given that the other doctor “made all the arrangements” for Accu-check nurse and mine “didn’t know anything about it”). He did add the throw away line of “you can take it up with Dr. …if you like).
I just joined Diabetes Australia Queensland and have made an appointment with a doctor in our nearest major town. I’ll take the letters and forms to the new doctor tomorrow and see what he/she says.
I would prefer to self monitor (even if my body changes) just so that I know what foods I can eat and what I can’t. I would have thought our body metabolising would be a reason for regular self-monitoring rather than against. But there you go.
Once again thanks for the input – it is overwhelming enough without landing in the middle of doctors’ not in accord.November 1, 2012 at 7:56 pm #517616
You will come across those doctors that simply astound you with their ignorance. Makes you appreciate the enlightened ones.
I hope you don’t have to pay for the new doctor. Because it seems criminal that you went through all that testing to get a diagnosis, but a single doctor’s opinion prevented you from receiving legitimate government subsidies.
You shouldn’t have to pay again.November 1, 2012 at 8:27 pm #517617
we’ll help you along the way as much as we can, chin up and keep plugging in the end it is your life you have to live.
lenNovember 2, 2012 at 2:30 pm #517618
I have a new doctor and he seems like a gem after the last debacle. He gave me a script for the test strips and has signed the NDSS registration form. He was surprised to hear of a doctor not encouraging self-monitoring. I am very happy as some good has come out of this – I have a new doctor and it looks like he is going to be a treasure. I wrote to the senior partner of the old clinic telling him why I thought I had been treated shabbily by his clinic and asking him to get my records ready for me to collect.November 3, 2012 at 12:44 am #517619
Hi people. Glad to see the thread still plugging away while I’ve been gone. Support is, I reckon, so important when we are dealing with stress of any kind.
:hug: :hug: :hug: z to you Muster, what a time you have had. It’s great to read that you now have a ‘user friendly’ doctor. :tup:
I’m surprised that you have been put on medication with a high bg reading of just over 10. I am one of the lucky ones who can manage my DB2 with diet and exercise. I took Len’s advice and take bitter lemon tabs or drink bitter lemon tea as well as milk thistle tabs. I have ac vinegar with most meals and in glasses of water throughout the day.
I also have a lump of coconut oil every morning and am trialling the co 3 times a day. I forget all the benefits the coconut oil gives us and it may not be specific to DB2 but it helps in so many ways.
Oh and I have cinnamon as often throughout the day as I can manage, cinnamon is said to help in all manner of health issues as well as DB2.
One caution Muster when using alternate aids for health, make sure you tell your doctor what you are trying and how much you take and how often.
Like the others say, some things work better or not at all for different folk.
Len re am fasting bg readings, my doc gives me the range of 4 to 6, with a range of 6 to 8 for the post meal readings. Re exercise as a benefit I had a reading of 8.5 pre exercise and immediately after a 2 hour stint of exercise it was 5.0. I am fast becoming an exercise junky!!!!!!!
:hug:November 3, 2012 at 7:43 am #517620
good one bobbee,
it is great getting good results when we take charge of our treatment in this way.
if you tell GP about alternatives you may get a completely negative attitude, they are only trained in chemical fixes.
lenNovember 5, 2012 at 7:48 pm #517621
Bobbee Thankyou for starting this interesting thread.
Gardenlen do you take the recommended dose of 2 Bitter Melon tablets at each meal?
Also google Tumeric for Diabetes, has a lot of postives going for it so they say.
I was diagnosed 6 weeks ago as needing to watch for Diabetes, but doctor has just recommended to lose some weight, but i did buy Bitter Melon tablets today, and i was taking Tumeric for a different reason.
Boobbee “Livertone shots” are brilliant, highly recommend them.
Also a big believer in Apple cider Vinegar for just about everything.November 5, 2012 at 8:02 pm #517622
yes take the recommended dose will look at the tumeric suggestion anything that will help.
you are in a good place right now so you can try all you will need a monitor but.
the weight issue again we are all different, my metabolism is very low due to chronic fatigue syndrome. did lose weight down to just on 100k not much above my best around 96-98, that was when i had my T2 down to great figures and on almost no prescriptions.
the thing is the insulin keeps adding on the weight like chasing your tail, so lose the weight yeh but try to keep low readings so you never have to take insulin or any of the medications; metformin, diamicron. they all add weight.
my choice one i did some trial and error was to cut out all grains, no bread and in the end pumpkin and potato had to go, no cereals but been helping my immune system with colostrum so now can have some ‘tater and pumpkin as well as meusli and toast, bit of rice and pasta.
so good luck to keep off med’s for as long as you can keep us informed.
need to find some bitter melon seeds so i can grow them again feel eating the fruit in cooking maybe a tad better than the pills.
lenNovember 5, 2012 at 8:50 pm #517623
Thankyou Gardenglen, not good at taking tablets and to have to remember to do it 3 times a day is not good 🙂
I haven’t got a monitor yet, did have a quick look at them but decided to wait and see what next lot of blood tests show in December.
I am alot like like you, i don’t like or trust doctors and i prefer to take an active role in my own health, the only trouble is you can’t get the blood tests without them. :angry: Anyway won’t get started on Doctors or i will be here all night :laugh:
Thanks for your help. :cheer:November 5, 2012 at 10:00 pm #517624
i think naturapaths etc.,. can order blood tests
lenNovember 6, 2012 at 6:16 pm #517625
Hi everyone, just fall in the door here, hubby is type2 insulin dependant 12 yrs down the track our biggest concern is his feet. He has landed in hospital twice, first time they threatened to amputate, thank God we asked for a specialist, she saved him from that. Warning to always get another Dr to have a look as well. once a week footbaths in vinegar water helps remove dead skincells dry with a soft towel rubbing off the old skin. Shoe choice is very inportant cause diabetic folk walk on the outside of their feet causing callouses and it is under those callous which the ulcers form. It took nearly 8 months for his first 2 ulcers to heal he had a spaceboot on for all that time too.
Our next major hurdle we are facing is his eyes, another symptom of being a Diabetic. After a regular appointment for new glasses, our opt. discovered a huge problem and sent hubby off to see a specialist. untreated he would have been blind with in 2 yrs. He now goes regularly for lazer treatment and injections to control the swelling. Ask to see a spcialist for a good check up please. not the nicest treatment granted but the alternative is not good either. Cut down on your dairy products esp cheese they are causing you heaps of harm esp the amount hubby was consuming.
Keep well Rina
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