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August 7, 2009 at 12:22 pm #423183happyvalleyMember
I too have just been through an auto immune drama. Ended up with some liver damage.
A friend who is an alternative healer got me back on track through stimulating the adrenals – very important,
also reflexology, using black sesame seed oil to massage face and neck thyroid areas, complete vitamin C powders to help boost body. Really really helped heaps.
Good luckAugust 10, 2009 at 5:52 am #423184gemjillMember
Have arthritis too and father with diabetes.
Tip: you need to find an exercise that is enjoyable also helps to have an exersise partner or someone who supports you in a health ‘action plan’.
Start gently – gentle yoga or simply stretching your limbs whilst lying or sitting down. try and integrate a bit of a stretch in daily acitivities.
Dare I suggest Wei fit? It does make it a lot more fun, and there is even a Wei ‘trainer’ – it really does beat rowing machines.
With the diabetes, you lose your taste for sugar very fast, if my Dad and most other diabetics I’ve known are any guide.
Be very careful about ‘alternative’ stuff + diabetes, people can go into diabetic comas and never come out – you have to manage the sugar/carbs and insulin, as suggested there is much info out there.
good luck, I sincerely hope you are able to manage your conditions
cheersAugust 10, 2009 at 7:27 am #423185
Not sure if this is still relevant, as you may not have diabetes, but I have type I, so thought I’d share a little about it.
The difference between type I and type II is that my pancreas doesn’t make any insulin whatsoever. Type II diabetes does – but the more weight a person puts on, the less effective the insulin is at going around the body.
So losing weight is a good idea. Prevention is better than cure.
Secondly, don’t be in a hurry to get the doctor to diagnose you with diabetes (especially as there is a grey area) as this will put a limitation on your drivers licence. You will be obliged to get a GP or specialist to fill out a medical report (in some cases every 12 months) for the rest of your life.
My last dietician made a correlation between people with diabetes developing gluten intolerance. She said there seems to be an increase in her patients with one of those diseases, eventually developing the other. I can understand this could be a reasonable outcome, considering a diabeteic diet has mainly been controlled by carbohydrate consumption. Carbohydrates come with breads, cereals and starchy vegetables.
Basically the best diet for anyone to follow is moderation of all things. Eat a little dairy, eat a little protein, eat a little carbohydrate, sugar, fats and mainly eat lots of fruit and vegetables. Also, by eating at least 6 smalls meals a day, you trick the body from going into starvation mode.
Incorporating a lot of oily fish meals in your case, could help with the pains in your joints too. :tup:August 10, 2009 at 9:48 am #423186daviesgangMember
Thanks for all the advice my friends. I am concentrating on enjoying my trip back to Canada and I am going to worry about the health issues once I get back. I might seem like I am sticking my head in the sand for a bit but i figure if the doctor isn’t freaking out then I have no reason to either. I have already started cutting back on the sugar and I found out the other day that when i get all shaky if i eat about 3 or 4 jellybeans the shaking hands go away within about 10 minutes so I am assuming that means my blood glucose levels are low? I have no idea:shrug:.
I will have the blood tests done again as soon as I get home (19th of September) and I will go from there. I have informed my family in Canada so they will know what is going on if I do anything weird while I am there but I think I will be fine.
I got a PM earlier from a local gentleman and I will respond to that tonight if I get a chance. I just wanted you to know that I did get it:tup:. I have my youngest sick atm so I am concentrating on him. He has had a rough winter this year but no hospital admissions with his asthma so we are still ahead of the game:D.August 10, 2009 at 1:28 pm #423187
Glad you’re well and focussing on what’s in front of you now. Enjoy what’s left of the holiday.
I just thought I’d mention, if you have private health insurance then you can claim most of the costs for a blood-glucose metre. I think it may even be 100% of the cost. But you may need a letter of referral from your doctor outlining why you need one, especially if you haven’t been diagnosed with diabetes before.August 10, 2009 at 9:15 pm #423188AnonymousGuest
My last dietician made a correlation between people with diabetes developing gluten intolerance. She said there seems to be an increase in her patients with one of those diseases, eventually developing the other.
so when does she the dietician do the gluten intollerence assessment? before the patient is diagnosed with db2 by a medical doctor? making a judgement after the diagnosis does not suggest to me the intollerence is caused by db2 but that misdiagnosis could have occured by the doc’. and unless the dietician does some intollerence testing along the way they maybe at short odds to realy say what happened or when or how. none of my dieticians ever suggested any testing though it was obvious the diet with exercise was not working, i just went blindly along to my loss other than gain.
for me my early contrrol of supposed db2 was hampered by the dieticians continuing to recommend grain/gluten carbohydrate foods in my diet. that’s how they are taught sadly. i wass under dietician direction before i ever got what they diagnosed as db2, and after i was diagnosed they still kept me on the same diet, db2 went from bad to worse and getting worse.
so when i cut those factors out of my diet my db2 came under very good control not racing out of control. and still now though there is long spells of good control my db2 goes of the top almost for no reason whatsoever, getting medico’s interested enough to try and investigate (even endocrynologist’s) is an impossibility, like they don’t want to muddy their water. so iam going to have the testing done to try and detremine what causes these db2 crashes.
lenAugust 11, 2009 at 5:00 am #423189
I think you would’ve liked this particular dietician Len, as she was pushing for more testing of diabetes patients for gluten intolerance. I was initially referred to her because my treatment was swinging wildly out of control. She got me back on track through diet – encouraging me to eat high GI foods rather than the staple carbohydrates recommended for treatment, as these often contain loads of processed gluten.
I was advised to eat more low fat/low sugar yoghurts as these are very good GI foods, and are actually more effective at stablising sugar than bread or potatoes. Once she fixed my problem I didn’t return to ask further about gluten intolerance testing though.
making a judgement after the diagnosis does not suggest to me the intollerence is caused by db2 but that misdiagnosis could have occured by the doc’.
These were her sentiments too (in type II patients) and wasn’t afraid to recommend testing back to the GP’s who referred them initially. It’s not so straight forward with type I patients though, as Dr’s cannot misdiagnose a body which fails to produce insulin at all.
I think this management through insulin in type I diabetes, probably gives medico’s false interpreations of why readings can go wildly out of control even for me. I can add more insulin artificially – you need foods to manage what insulin your body has available naturally. I think we’ll find in future studies however, that treating diabetes (type I or II) through cereal based diets will only exasserbate the body’s ability to reject gluten altogether.
This is all speculation, but I do know as a patient that a high GI foods based diet leaves me with more energy – than relying on traditional cereal based carbohydrates alone.
One other area to consider why your readings can go wildly out of control, is stress. The body sends out chemicals under stress, which starts to hoard energy in the body – only releasing it later when you’ve calmed down. So you get this massive spike in readings as the energy is dispursed.
For me, managing stress better is what has helped stabilise my treatment too. :tup:August 11, 2009 at 9:07 am #423190AnonymousGuest
yes good when you jag a good medical type person, but for the main we realy don’t know who are realy good at their job do we? for some it is a living for very few a vocation.
for me of course 8 years ago when i was misdiagnosed i don’t think i ahd db2, currently now throuhg my own daily testing at home i cannpot eat any grains, breads, cakes, cereals nothing at all, so the det gets very hard and very boring. also at one a stage a wised up doc told me that my bod’ may be a carbohydrate junky and following their diets certainly helped but if din’t make my diet any easier.
these are the things dieticians i was seeing didn’t even consider. funnily when i get these intollerence and allergy tests done it will be by a dietician. curently dieticians not on my xmas list, same as some educators i’ve seen they just follow the book.
reckon before anyone get dumped with db2 they should ensure that they have the intollerlence allergy testing done first. don’t leave it up to you medico. would not like to see anyone get caught like i did.
we are all diffrent don’t let them dump us in the same basket.
lenAugust 11, 2009 at 9:59 am #423191
If you’re not allergic to seafood Len, then it sounds like a good Mediterrainen based diet would be good for you. Plenty of seafood, olives, fetta, dried tomatoes, basil and eggplant!
I can fully appreciate that food can get pretty borrr-ring when you have to eat the same things all the time.August 11, 2009 at 10:16 am #423192AnonymousGuest
no not allergic to sea food, i eat what you have suggested when i can, trouble is gotta keep menu cheap as.
do a lot of stir fries with vege’s from the garden, even potato’s and pumpkins have to be skinny on me diet.
lenAugust 11, 2009 at 6:53 pm #423193AnonymousGuest
one thing i don’t think i have mentioned is all along though i have been told to keep away from sugar, that is the one substance that i have never detected having any affect on my glucose readigs, same with fats no noticable effect on db2.
and for me a reading under about 4 means dizzy blonde time the brain is lethargic, so my ideal reading is between mid 4’s and up to 8 or 9.
they keep moving the bar on what determines a db2 patient also very sus’ to me, when i first started having the blood tests the level for db2 was <10 and over, then it came down to <8, 8> factor now it is down to to 7 now all this so more medications can be sold is my feeling.
and being obese is not a precurser there are just as many skinny people out there on db2 treatment.
lenAugust 12, 2009 at 4:30 am #423194
I guess it was easier in my case Len, as my test came back at over 20 mmols! 😮
If you want, I can pass on the info of my diabetes specialist. His main office is located here in Toowoomba, but he also visits other parts of Qld. I think he has rotating offices or something.
I found he had a wealth of information, and explained a lot of the “gobbledegook” that didn’t make sense previously. He also does a lot of regular courses on diabetes management, so let’s you know about the newest ways to manage. He was the first Dr to give me a medical certificate for the full 5 year period too, rather than an annual one.
But I can also give you the name of the dietician I was talking about. I think I still have her details in my files. Just send me a PM if you’d like either’s information.
I found between these two, they gave me a good plan to manage. They weren’t the type of people to *not* explore other relevant options.August 12, 2009 at 5:54 am #423195AnonymousGuest
metu told me,
I guess it was easier in my case Len, as my test came back at over 20 mmols!
mine went to 29 when they diagnosed me as db2, still say there should have been intollerence testing as within 1 year of uncontrolled db2 treatment before i started cutting grains out wheat and bread first and for the first time my reading fell sharply. i had a test done was under the magic 10 figure that it was then and 2 weeks later it all crashed nothing gradual, even the med’ lab’ commented on how fast it all happened.
then i had to go through 2 weeks of getting used to the diabix/metformin drug the body didn’t like it at all, bad news that stuff.
that’s all i’m saying here so others might be sure of their diagnosis, naturally my case is not all cases and vica versa, we are all different but while doc’s and their cohorts & dieticians lump us all under the one umberella there are going to be mis-diagnosis. granted you jagged a good dietician, but generally most would ahve no idea who is or isn’t good, i would suggest if they start talking intollerence tests then hey yuo may have a live one so to speak.
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