January 28, 2011 at 8:51 pm #254328
As the title suggest who here is familiar with the Buddhist teachings or the like?
I ask because i have been doing some much needed soul searching and when i was younger i did things very close to Buddhism but at the time i didn’t know that was what it was 🙂
I had been reading some stuff today and it just interests me.
I felt like something woke up in me i hadn’t seen nor felt in ages.
In saying that that is partly where i get the wanna be self sufficient from and im a vegetarian again cos of those principles.
I guess i was just wanting to see if there was anyone here who lived by similar guides.
Thank You 🙂January 28, 2011 at 10:09 pm #489239
I remember this topic being covered a while (12/18 months) ago. A search may help if its still in the system. HTH.:)
PaulJanuary 28, 2011 at 11:59 pm #489240
He who says does not know.
He who knows does not say.January 29, 2011 at 1:45 pm #489241
Thanks Paul 🙂January 29, 2011 at 4:45 pm #489242
wilburandsally post=302849 wrote: He who says does not know.
He who knows does not say.
Wilburandsally sorry i don’t get this cos to share thoughts with like minded people is a joy not a secret 🙂January 29, 2011 at 6:05 pm #489243
I like that quote. Maybe it’s in the ilk of the path is walked, not talked?
I would call myself atheist but I’m rather passionate about Taoist philosophy/teachings because they strike me as profoundly ecological. I was only thinking the other day about my skepticism about re-incarnation, while at the same time marvelling at the cycles of nature. Contradicting myself maybe?January 29, 2011 at 7:35 pm #489244
edensgate post=302934 wrote: I like that quote. Maybe it’s in the ilk of the path is walked, not talked?
I would call myself atheist but I’m rather passionate about Taoist philosophy/teachings because they strike me as profoundly ecological. I was only thinking the other day about my skepticism about re-incarnation, while at the same time marvelling at the cycles of nature. Contradicting myself maybe?
I think all through life there is contradictions? So maybe in the way your thinking is too complex? Just do what you do and act how you feel is appropriate to your beliefs? (for what its worth i think most things in life contradict each other!)
I think sometimes if you over think something it becomes too complex?
Like growing up a good lil christian girl i never questioned anything, it was only when a life changing thing happen when i was 15 that it gave me the opportunity to fully see things with open eyes not just the ones i was told to have. It opened up a whole new world for me, one that was confusing and exciting at the same time. I was able to belive what i wanted and it knew no name. It was like a bit of everything i guess?
I guess sometimes you just need to float along until you find what it is that fits with you??
I guess i like talking with others who are of similar belief system cos it provides healthy discussion and just a open forum if you know what i mean?
Thanks again guys 😉January 29, 2011 at 7:54 pm #489245
I like the quote but I think its important that if one walks the talk he/she should share the experience and help others find a suitable path.
I like Buddhisms peaceful nature but get easily distracted when it comes to reincarnation. However in close family ties and communities there are no doubt traits that pop up in following generations that could equate to a belief in reincarnation. But to say Who Flung is the reincarnation of a previous soul is a bit far fetched in mho.
I to like Taoism, and many of its origins, beliefs & symbols are shared with Buddhism including the yin yang symbol.
What I think is important for anyone seeking a spiritual / religious journey is that we are part of natures web and not exclusive of it. Modern humans have got so far removed from the critical importance of nature to our long term survival that any religion / spiritual path that helps us re connect and nurture our natural world gets my thumbs up. I believe wholeheartedly in Karma in all its manifestations including the fact that if we keep treating the planet the way we are then Mother nature will give us an enormous kick in the bum.
I think many people who visit the als website have similar views but perhaps in some they are not mindful of there natural spirituality so threads like these are good for raising some awareness.
Best of luck in your travels Sarah Jane and may you find a long & challenging & rewarding path to walk and talk.January 29, 2011 at 9:20 pm #489246
wilburandsally post=302849 wrote: He who says does not know.
He who knows does not say.
I’m pretty sure this is a buddhist quote? Basically one who says they know about the mysteries of the universe most likely doesn’t. Their mind is too set on what they think they know then actually knowing. Where as someone who does not say does know because the mysteries of the universe cannot be articulated, they are a knowing within you. That’s always been my interpretation anyways :dry:
I don’t really follow one set religion, I go with what speaks to me. My beliefs are a mixture of Buddhist, Pagan and Yoga philosophies and teachings.January 30, 2011 at 11:44 am #489247
Mossy, I read Yoda instead of yoga… lol…
I believe in everything… After all where does the universe end and then what’s after that and after that….January 30, 2011 at 12:48 pm #489248
Some of you will have noticed by now that I enjoy a bit of a stir … but don’t think me a bad person because of that. You see I have noticed that contradiction or paradox … also called Irony … often facilitates understanding when ‘logical’ explanation cannot. This is the case with my earlier post here which was in fact another of my … Moments of Zen.
Porgey correctly notes that Zen has links with Taoism. Buddhism was imported to China and became absorbed to some extent into Taoism. When in time the religious cocktail (is that analogy too profane?) was imported to Japan it became known as Zen.
Irony is a central concept in Zen and Taoism. When reading Taoism one can substitute the word ‘Irony’ for Taoism’s concept ‘the Way’. Then more ‘western’ sense can be made of Taoist scripts.
The ‘ying yang’ symbol is a visual representation of Irony. If you can’t see that … well, let’s discuss it shall we?
Sorry though, I have to disagree that experience or understandings can be shared through talk. For me it is a regrettable Irony that we cannot do this because, I ‘ve got lots to say and boy can I talk! We may think we understand one another but mostly we do not. This inability to understand one another through thought and talk (which are one and the same) is the focus of Zen which teaches that understanding comes out of Silence … that there can only be a personal moments, or instances, of understanding. (I think this is why a seeming sense of loneliness or isolation is more or less the lot of every person throughout life. But it makes sense to me that this hard felt sense is ultimately a good thing because it drives us toward … Understanding.)
Of course we already know that understanding comes … out of Silence. In an instant! But did you know you knew that? You must know it but have somehow overlooked it because otherwise our language would not contains many phrases such as: it just DAWNED on me … SUDDENLY SENSED the truth … it just CAME TO ME! And our language contains the word: INSIGHT because of our culture’s knowledge that Silence is a necessary precursor for understanding. For understanding there is a need to LOOK IN, not OUT to where the words are coming from. How Ironic! (And how anarchic, if you get my drift … altho that is another separate topic.)
That understanding comes out of Silence is the reason for a focus on meditation in especially Yoga and Zen.
Over to you:
(this post has been edited to clarify meaning and to responsibly author statements made.)January 30, 2011 at 8:45 pm #489249
*gets out lightsaber* :laugh:
edit: aww the quote button didn’t work 🙁January 31, 2011 at 9:52 am #489250
wilburandsally post=302997 wrote: Of course we already know that understanding comes … out of Silence. In an instant! But did you know you knew that? You must know it but have somehow overlooked it because otherwise our language would not contains many phrases such as: it just DAWNED on me … SUDDENLY SENSED the truth … it just CAME TO ME! And our language contains the word: INSIGHT because of our culture’s knowledge that Silence is a necessary precursor for understanding. For understanding there is a need to LOOK IN, not OUT to where the words are coming from. How Ironic!
I like this explanation. Irony is definitely a tool of the practice but my sense is that comprehending Tao/Zen, and perhaps Buddhism in general, springs from a place of EGO-LESSNESS and it is the quietening of the ego rather than the creation of silence, that truly gives access to ‘enlightenment’. In fact, I think all spiritual practices aspire to achieving a state of egolessness.
So talking about buddhism/spirituality isn’t such a bad thing but it still requires a state of egoless reflection to achieve real comprehension or ‘enlightenment’ and that state of enlightenment will be unique for every person, which is why it can’t be shared.January 31, 2011 at 1:05 pm #489251
I have a preference for the Tao Te Ching, in the past I have been part of a Toaist holy house and found that the religion part of it overpowered the philosophy. The philosophy I find is the crux of Tao. I see religion as a fear and ritual based idea. I have skirted on the outside of Buddhism for a few years, I find it is only the philosophy that talks to me. I talked to a buddhist monk a few months ago, he explained to me that the religion is for people that do not wish to study and learn the more indepth teachings of Buddhism. And the philosophy is for people that like to ask questions and learn as much as they can.January 31, 2011 at 5:50 pm #489252
In a nutshell Grassroots … I like what you say … but previously …
While I think it’s good that everyone contributes their point of view, I cannot see how the introduction of science-based terms like “ego-lessness” assist the reader’s understanding. What I mean is: altho I ‘ve read that everyone has an ego, and it’s somewhere inside our heads, I ‘ve never seen, felt or heard one … and don’t know of anyone who ever has. On the other hand all of us know from experience what “silence” means.
My understanding is that the notion of the ego was created a century or so ago by a theorist with mixed motives. When the theorist was accepted by the psychological establishment he said the aims of his theory were to cure the insane and make money while doing so. We cannot know for sure which was the main motive, but we can make a substantial guess because whenever his therapies did not work the theorist blamed the patient for being “resistant’. So I ask: what value can there be in the notion of the ego?
It seems to me that when ‘expert’ terminology is introduced into common discussion like this, along with it comes the implication that the only people able to understand their behaviour and find their peaceful space in the world are those with special knowledge. To believe that special knowledge is necessary also means that an ordinary person might as well give up their personal search. Such a belief does not move the present conversation forward because it is the same toxic belief that Religion has been spoon-feeding the gullible for centuries.
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