July 2, 2013 at 3:06 pm #257824
I read things like this below and shake my head with disbelief that at this day and age people still believe/feel in this mass delusion. No wonder people are so stupid to give their vote to the party who is hardest on Asylum seekers and also deniers of human made Climate Change. For a species that has so much potential, humans tend to flush it all away without a scrap of real independent thought.
“The late pope John Paul II could be made a saint as early as this year, after a second miracle was attributed to his intervention.
A meeting of cardinals and bishops has ruled the deceased Polish pontiff was responsible for a miracle two years ago on the night he was beatified, which is the first step towards sainthood.
The Congregation for the Causes of Saints, the Vatican body that reviews candidates for sainthood, decided the pope’s intercession was behind the healing of a woman from Costa Rica on May 1, 2011, according to the reports.
A panel of doctors has reportedly ruled the woman’s healing was an inexplicable recovery.”July 2, 2013 at 8:40 pm #533128
Mass delusion that never lets the facts get in the way of a good story.
It wouldn’t be so bad if if it was a powerless minority nut job fringe,that you could just have a giggle at.July 3, 2013 at 2:33 pm #533129
I believe in the beautiful random magic of coincidence.July 5, 2013 at 5:18 pm #533130
They’ve certainly lowered their standards. Once upon a time you actually had to be martyred to qualify…July 5, 2013 at 8:49 pm #533131
tooo many choir boys applying would have put a stop to that ;}July 5, 2013 at 9:19 pm #533132
I find it interesting how the agnostics and atheists have just as big a soap box and are just as self righteous as the believers…
People are acceptable provided they conform to our standard (whatever that may be). If not, then they are fair game for ridicule… 🙁July 6, 2013 at 3:14 pm #533133
Steve post=357233 wrote: I find it interesting how the agnostics and atheists have just as big a soap box and are just as self righteous as the believers…
People are acceptable provided they conform to our standard (whatever that may be). If not, then they are fair game for ridicule… 🙁
Steve, the thing is, us non-believers of a ‘God Almighty who is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient’ know the real truth 😉July 7, 2013 at 12:46 pm #533134
We are all born free without religion.
Then its a battle of the franchises trying to win your hearts and dollars, based on their interpretations of a fairy tale,fuelled by their unquestioning belief that they are right and therefore everyone else isnt.July 7, 2013 at 8:02 pm #533135
Wouldn’t it put ALS on the ‘map’ if we could find the ultimate answer for this topic.
(42, I hear you say 😆 )
It is all well and good to express beliefs and opinions, just please make sure it is a friendly and healthy ‘debate’.
So far so good, but please be aware all that wars have been fought over this issue!
Lets not start another one here.
Having said that, it does strike me as very coincidental that they are rushing to get this ‘sainthood’ pushed through … especially since so many believers wanted it. Will this dude get a ‘sainthood’ because of the ‘miracles’ or because the church would upset their congregation?
And so that we know where I’m coming from … let’s put it this way …
I’ve not seen enough ‘evidence’ to indicate we were designed. And yes, I need evidence – not just word-of-mouth stories of a few thousand years.
:tup:July 8, 2013 at 5:07 pm #533136
mummyjas post=357250 wrote: Ah Earthling, Jesus said, “I am the way, the TRUTH and the light”.
Call me stupid or delusional but I just can’t look at nature and how perfectly everything works (ignoring anything affected by the human mind) and believe that it just ‘happened’.
But at the end of the day I believe the Dali Lama said it perfectly that “Just because someone is not on the same path as you, does not mean they are lost”.
What gets me about religion is a few things:
1. Each religion says they are the true religion and all the others are wrong. Note: Even the Baha’i faith which accepts all religions does not accept Satanists…go figure…
Therefore which one do you choose for eternal life? The one you grew up in? What if its the wrong one? How do you really know which one is true?
2. Just because you cannot understand how everything works perfectly or how the Universe was created does not mean God is true. Note: Just because I do not understand something just explains how little I/humans know/understand, not that automatically a God created all…
3. Faith. Faith/belief for me is an emotion. And an emotion is a primal instinct that allows animals to survive…belief in a God ties a community together which gives that community a stronger chance of survival than a guy standing alone in the wilderness. Evolution. Now that we understand that we can move on and evolve away from the need to believe in a God to tie the community together…we have Governments and Corporations now doing that job 😛
I have many more but that’s a good start 🙂July 9, 2013 at 12:47 am #533137
Reminds me of Mother Teresa’s ‘miracles’. She was an awful person who revelled in her patients’ suffering.
Are they hoping the Pope’s upcoming sainthood will remove the stains of the terrible things that have been done in the name of their god? The condoned child abuse?July 11, 2013 at 12:03 pm #533138
GirlFriday post=357277 wrote: Reminds me of Mother Teresa’s ‘miracles’. She was an awful person who revelled in her patients’ suffering.
Are they hoping the Pope’s upcoming sainthood will remove the stains of the terrible things that have been done in the name of their god? The condoned child abuse?
Just did a wiki search after reading this post and Whoa! She wasn’t as nice as we all thought…kinda sad that people like this get so much positive street cred when they say things like: “the most beautiful gift for a person that he can participate in the sufferings of Christ’.” And this meant NO painkillers even for the worst cases…
Plus she discouraged sisters from seeking medical training to deal with the illnesses they encountered with the justification that God empowers the weak and ignorant…WTF! Training/Education is an empower….
Re: child abuse; The church has done more damage to itself with the catholics doing this then any other single thing I believe. The church was meant to be a place of trust and love, but for some it turned to a place of defilement and death.
Its weird how so many humans still need this crux called religion to live…July 14, 2013 at 12:22 am #533139
On the contrary Mummyjas, I think people can be kind and good and humane without religion. We are very blessed to live in a country such as Australia.
I do believe in miracles- just not religion manufactured ones. Now if everyone prayed and all the poor AIDS affected children in developing countries were cured all at once I would throw my hands up and proclaim a miracle. However, till that day, I remain a skeptic.
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