August 30, 2009 at 2:21 am #249442
I’m hoping with your collective fountain of knowledge someone might be able to help me with a bread of chook that is good for laying and eating.
I have been working on hubby for awhile now to get some chooks & now his boat is being moved back to my parents house we have a fully fenced area I think is perfect for chooks.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated…
LynnieAugust 30, 2009 at 3:36 am #429898
The oldfashioned solution would be a Rhode Island Red – but I think these days there are two strains of this breed so you would need to see the parent birds to be sure you were getting good meaty ones.August 30, 2009 at 3:44 am #429899
I would like to know this too Lynnie. I’ve read about breeds in books but it seems that these are based on what the breed used to be. Apparently they have changed over years to comply more with showing rather than usefulness:confused: We were leaning towards the australorp or the light sussex but i would like to know if there is something better as our knowledge of these has only come from books. At the moment I have one australorp rooster and the rest are all bit and pieces of all sorts, some of which I don’t even know.:shrug: Plus I want something that will go broody so that I can reproduce my own flock instead of having to keep buying in stock. (no I won’t be in-breeding!!)August 30, 2009 at 4:26 am #429900
We have Australorps for meat and eggs and love them. They lay like mad and taste great.
None of of the old dual purpose strains are ever going to be as meaty as the commercial hybreds, and they will never lay as well as the laying hybreds (well not in the first year anyway, purebreds lay well for longer, Hybreds are worn out after 18 months). So long as you understand that you will be fine.
Rhode Island reds, plymouth rocks and any of the sussex are also great dual purpose birds.
When buying them, seek out utility strains rather than show strains that are bred to be pretty rather than lay well. Also any of these breeds will go broody and they are usually good mothers.August 30, 2009 at 5:25 am #429901
Ooh sorry, when I first saw this I thought you meant a bread made with chicken :shrug::confused:August 30, 2009 at 5:38 am #429902
Lol Marz, i thought Lynnie meant bread for the chookies to eat – was wondering why you would go to all that fuss :confused::lol::lol::lol:August 30, 2009 at 6:34 am #429903
my spelling is crap… ive got preggy brain lolAugust 30, 2009 at 6:38 am #429904
:lol::lol::lol:August 31, 2009 at 5:52 am #429905
HI Lynnie – the prob with most modern dual purpose chooks is that many breeders are breeding for exhabition rather than utility traits so, you need to establish what it is the breeder is trying to accomplish with there birds before purchasing them.
– the Exhabition bred birds look pretty but generally don’t grow as quick or lay as many eggs as the books say.
some of the better ones still about – plymouth rock, Rode Island, Croad Langshan.
I personally have decided to make my own dual purpose cross- and so far this is doing very well.
I have been using Leghorn Hens and a Malay roosters.
The leghorn gives the egg laying and fast growth rate- so the birds arn’t stringy by the time they are worth eating, and the Malay game give them flesh and Flavour.
the cross bred vigiour makes the offspring grow and do better than either of the pur bred parents –
the boys weigh between 2.5-3kg at 20 weeks and the pullts start laying at 20weeks and lay about 210 eggs per year.
If you don’t want a self repalcing flock pure breed flock why not try your own experiment 😀
RoogzAugust 31, 2009 at 6:25 am #429906
Have to admit, this is what I am doing also. The rooster that GL gave me is a fine future dinner, so I will breed from him them put the offsrping to a game rooster or an RIR. Both hens are quite petite by comparison, so am hoping the next generation will be sturdier. Will be eating the skinny ones and keeping the meaty ones for the first few generations.August 31, 2009 at 7:49 am #429907
I keep and breed both barred Plymouth Rocks and Rhode Island Reds – I have Brown Leghorns too, but they are never going to be a good meat bird, they do make pretty economical layers though.
We have found our rock cockerels have been quite good as table birds, and the hens have been really good layers and broodies. The RIR’s are shaping up to be the same (we haven’t had them as long as the rocks) – we’ve not eaten any of the cockerels we’ve raised from the RIR yet, they are still a few weeks off being ready, but they are plumping up nicely. I don’t know about broodiness with RIR’s – ours have yet to go broody. I think a cross between these breeds is on the cards for us too at some stage – the genetics means they should be sexable at hatch from their down colour, be true dual purpose birds, and have the hybrid vigour to give them the edge as meat birds and layers. You are not far away from us Lynnie – we are just in Kurwongbah – if you want to drop around sometime and check out our birds for a first hand look just PM me. :wave:
ChristyAugust 31, 2009 at 10:24 pm #429908
Thank you for all your information it has certainly given me some food for thought (pardon the pun). I would love to try and breed some chooks but unfortunately I live in suburbia at the mo and I’m not sure my neighbours would appreciate a rooster 😆September 1, 2009 at 1:07 am #429909
HI HFF – 😀 yep a RIR rooster over Barred Rock hens are sexable at hatching – the males will all be silver and barred – the females all black – (dosen’t work using a barred rock roo over rir Hens- all offsring will be barred)
For this to work the parents need to be pure breds dosent work when using crosses as there are different genetics involved.
RoogzSeptember 1, 2009 at 9:44 am #429910
Roogz, can I ask a bit more about the Malay leghorn cross? I would have thought the leghorn side of things would be too scrawny. But from your description the cross sounds pretty meaty as well as fast growing.
Would you breed on with these birds between themselves, or do you stick with hybrid vigour?
I’m asking because I wouldn’t mind that kind of cross, but don’t have the facilities to keep two separate purebred flocks.
JennieSeptember 1, 2009 at 10:54 am #429911
I’ve got an Australorp that was crossed with a Rhode Island Red I think and she lays really well and Australorps are apparently a good meat chicken. The only problem for me would be that they are so friendly I couldn’t do it! Astrid (!) is like my best friend (steals food but at least she doesn’t talk back) and always cuddly. 🙂
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